Re: [spoon-discuss] Tunnelers discussion

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 08:27 PM, Glotmorf wrote:

> > I also suggest a modification to the rules, namely the following
> > section 3.5, or some variant on it if any of this is inconvenient:
> > {{
> > __Structures__
> > }}
>
> Including your later message into this...The thing that immediately 
> comes to mind with the idea of structures reinforcing the walls is 
> that theoretically the entire map could wind up tunneled.  Maybe not 
> from traps, but other things, worthy of note since you're defining a 
> general class.
>
> In particular, I wouldn't think that a pit trap would make the walls 
> *more* stable...if anything, I'd think it would lower the life of the 
> square.

Well, how hard would that be for you to track? I mean, if most squares 
have a four cp lifespan, but those with structures have different 
lifespans depending on their contents... I know if I were tracking 
that, I'd lose track of how long everything had to go; I thought 
perhaps making all structures affect things the same way might be 
easier. Also, the Pit Trap gets kind of useless if it costs that much 
and lasts *less* than 4 turns... Maybe if it's some other sort of trap, 
say, a Bear Trap or something?

> You also didn't say anything about the pit trap being visible or 
> invisible.  If it's visible, people could tunnel around it.

I was thinking for now you'd have no idea. Maybe when(if) more 
structures are defined, you could tell that there was some sort of 
structure up ahead, but you couldn't tell what until you stepped in it. 
Then if some structures had beneficial effects - for example, the 
medical station could heal you, or the Gatorade stand could give you 
extra movement - you'd have to gamble on whether or not you wanted to 
risk it, based on any knowledge you had of the previous residents of 
the region (for example, if you beat up the Baron and are now pursuing 
em, it's a good bet that e put up a med station to get back some hp, 
but e may also have put up a Bear trap or something to slow you down.

> If a structure is going to have any sort of perpetual reinforcing 
> effect, there should be a way to destroy it.

My thought was that after one or two uses it'd just break, and the 
square would become a normal tunneled square.


After a bit of thought, I've revised the Trap a bit:

{{
II. Siamese Tiger Traps
Siamese Tiger Traps (STTs) are a type of structure. To construct an 
STT, a mole must spend 2 Movement points and discard up to three cards. 
The cards so discarded, instead of being returned to the deck, are put 
in the STT. When a mole enters a square occupied by an STT, e shall be 
notified of the STT (but not of how many cards were in it). E may then 
play up to two cards against the STT. If no card so played matches any 
of the cards in the STT, that mole takes damage equal to the number of 
cards in the STT, plus an additional point if there were three cards 
with different symbols in the STT, and the STT is destroyed.
When a tunnel caves in on an STT, it is destroyed; however, a tunneled 
square containing an STT will not cave in until 6 checkpoints after it 
gets tunneled.
When an STT is destroyed, all cards in it are discarded.
}}

Is this too complicated? The basic idea is that you put a bunch of 
cards in this thing, and it drops 'em on whoever walks under it. If you 
put more cards in it, it's less likely to work, but it'll hit harder if 
it does. With cards of the same type, it's more likely to work, but 
then again, you're using up multiple cards of the same type, which 
could be used for something else useful as well.
And of course, if nobody walks into it, you've just wasted a fistful of 
cards.

Anyone have any comments?

--
Wonko

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