Re: [spoon-discuss] Orc

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> On 9/2/03 at 8:57 AM Daniel Lepage wrote:
>
> > So in a message I never actually got, Glotmorf wrote something like this:
> >
> > > Tsk.  Dude, r14 clearly says a former player "ceases to be a player
> > > in this game, and ceases to be bound by its rules. In addition, e
> > > ceases to be anything else defined within the scope of this game",
> > > which, I should think, includes a uniquely named object.  If the
> > > entity originally known within the scope of this game as Orc in a
> > > Spacesuit has ceased to be anything defined within the scope of this
> > > game, then e is in fact not part of the gamestate.
> > >
> > > I consider this the fault of the wording of r14.  I would be more
> > > sympathetic about this, perhaps, if its current wording wasn't the
> > > doing of the entity originally known as Orc in a Spacesuit...
> >
> >
> > Although r14 does say that e ceases to be anything defined in the
> > game, it then immediately states that 'E then becomes a "former
> > player" in this game', thus putting em back in the gamestate.
>
> It doesn't really define "former player", though.  Certainly not to 
> the extent of refuting the earlier statement about ceasing to be 
> bound by the game's rules, or of being an object that has a unique 
> name.  I'd put "former players" up there with gnomes, shillings or 
> chocolate eclairs, being individually manipulable but collectively 
> interchangable.  Especially considering gnomes had more stats than 
> "former players" do.

But there is a former player who was once called 'Orc'; I would still 
call that Orc, even if that's not an official name. A commonly used 
nickname is still an identifier, even if it's not defined by the 
rules. Changing your name to 'Orc in a Spacesuit' is akin to changing 
it to "Baron von Skippy"; although there is no object with the 
official game name "Baron von Skippy", it's a widely recognized 
nickname for a game object, and thus is not available for use as a 
unique identifier of something else.

--
Wonko
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