Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Oops

[Mark Karasek <mkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:31:29 -0400, Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

> > > > Well, it looks like we just repealed the entire ruleset (see rules 1 
> > > > and 1637). Luckily, I was prepared for such an event. Since there's 
> > > > nothing preventing me from doing so, I define the following to be the 
> > > > new ruleset. (Rationale: since there are currently no rules, we can 
> > > > assume either that everything is legal or that nothing is legal. Since 
> > > > the latter would make the game rather pointless, I will assume the 
> > > > former is true.)
> > >
> > > Well, first of all, our rules or not laws, international treaties, or 
> > > government regulations. They're game rules, like Monopoly or >> 
> > > Scrabble.
> > >
> > > And secondly, I really hope I'm right about what I just said, because 
> > > our rules aren't just part of the game, they *are* the game. If the 
> > > rules are gone, you can't create new ones, because you're not even a 
> > > player, because there's no such thing as a player, or even a game to be 
> > > played. If you're right, and r1637 did indeed destroy our ruleset, then 
> > > the game is Over. No question of 'is everything legal or illegal?', 
> > > because there's nothing under which to be 'legal or illegal'.
> >
> > B Nomic is (was?) a soverign nation. The laws of a nation are the rules 
> > created by that nation governing its citizens; in our case, the ruleset. 
> > As for your second point, I took a different view that would allow us to 
> > keep playing. Was I wrong? Maybe. If so, I guess it's time for C Nomic.
>
> A game is defined by its rules; without some sort of guiding ruleset, 
> there is no game.
>
> There's also a clear precedent which states that when a rule defining an 
> object is destroyed, all instances of the object are destroyed too; so 
> even if there is still a game, it has no players, nor any way for us to 
> rejoin.
>
> Unless, of course, the ruleset wasn't destroyed.

Hmm... sucks to be us?

--The Pusher Robot

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