[spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] More on scams

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 09:51  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> I alter the proposal __Scams__ to read:
>
> {{
> __Scams__
>
> A. Definition
> A Scam is any attempt by a player to achieve an instant win in any 
> online game of Nomic by circumventing the spirit, but not the wording, 
> of one or more rules, utilizing a loophole in one or more rules, or 
> utilizing an unforseen interaction between two or more rules. The 
> player(s) who perform a scam is (are) the Scammer(s) of that Scam.

I disagree with this definition - the Stock Scam and the Overlord Scams 
were both definitely scams, I would say to a rather higher degree than 
anything any of us have done this nweek ('cause they both worked 
(although I did find the right counterargument to the Overlord Scam, 
but not until the statute had lapsed for a month or so), and 'cause 
(especially in the case of the Stock Scam) it was agreed upon by 
everyone that they did what the scammer claimed); but under your 
definition, since neither was an attempt at instant victory, neither 
would qualify as a Scam.

Also, something like my Infinite Style Scam - it would have gotten me a 
Win in two nweeks if I'd just found a way to prolong it... you claimin' 
that my infinite gain of points wasn't a scam just 'cause the Win would 
have been delayed if I'd pulled it off?

> D. Guerrila Warfare
> B Nomic players are encouraged to perform Scams in other games of 
> Nomic. If a player shows proof of a Scam they performed in another 
> game, that player recieves 15 Style plus 10 Style for each Win they 
> were awarded as a result of the Scam, and the title "Lord of the XXXX 
> YYYY Scam," with "XXXX" replaced with the whole name of the other 
> Nomic [[B Nomic, Nomicron, The Curvature Of The Earth Is Overwhelmed 
> By Local Noise Nomic]], and with "YYYY" replaced with the name the 
> Scammer has given to the Scam.

Oboy. Don't we have enough PR issues when we're just *joking* about 
doing unpleasant things to other Nomics? This actually encourages 
people to focus on Scamming other games over scamming our own, because 
they get more Style. Plus you've got another infinite style engine - 
ever heard of Solitaire Nomic? I could create objects called 'Wins' in 
a Solitaire game, then make a deliberate loophole that results in my 
gaining an infinite number of them, and... well, nothing would change 
for me, because I still have infinite Style, but if anyone else did 
this, Style would become meaningless, because everyone would have 
infinite quantities of it.

--
Wonko

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