Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Veni, Vidi, Vacancy

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 10:09  AM, Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:

> > Ah, but what you do not realize is that penguins are irrelevant to 
> > the issue at hand. I submit to the players that the Baron is not, and 
> > has never been, a penguin. E is, however, a Toad.
> >
> > I cite r1183: On any roll from 83 to 90, a random player becomes a 
> > Penguin, the effects of which are identical to becoming a Toad.
> >
> > What are the effects of becoming a Toad? The object is now a Toad.
> > What are the effects of becoming a Penguin? They're identical to the 
> > effects of becoming a Toad; thus, an object that has become a Penguin 
> > is now a Toad.
> >
> > Thus, when the Baron became a Penguin, e in fact ended up as a Toad; 
> > and as nothing has change about said toadliness, e is still such now, 
> > Q.E.D.
>
> And I submit that he is a Penguin, but may also be a Toad.  Eir 
> Toadiness does not negate eir Penguinness, if e does actually become a 
> Toad.  Which is debateable, but also irrelevant.  If the effects are 
> the same, do we really care whether or not e's a Toad?

Becoming a Penguin does not result in the object turning into a 
penguin, because the effects of "Becoming a Penguin" are identical to 
those of Becoming a Toad. Becoming a Toad does not cause Penguination.

I'm kind of nervous about the fact that I'm holding an Elf-Toad that 
thinks it's wearing a Penguin suit... I thought I was Outside the 
Asylum, but now I'm not so sure...

> Eir Toadiness.  Sounds like a title.

No, that would be "Toadliness". The 'l' makes all the difference.

--
Wonko
is Outside looking In

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