Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] This is me trying to make sense of the game

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 03:56  PM, Glotmorf wrote:

> On 4/21/03 at 1:24 PM Rob Speer wrote:
>
> > [[1464/0: Good idea, but still flawed. How can you ever run an
> > instance's "Create" method, considering that either it doesn't exist 
> > and
> > therefore has no such thing, or already exists so creating it is
> > unnecessary?  Plus, it's using an OO rule that has these flaws:
>
> Well, actually, I take care of that in p1463...

No, you don't... You just say that creation is said to be performed on 
the created object. But that then bars creation - you can't target an 
object with a method unless it's already there, so you can't create 
anything that doesn't already exist.

> > * Letting 2GOs (instances) inherit from 2GCs (classes), which makes no
> >  sense
>
> I didn't think it was necessarily desirable to create a 2GC for a 
> single 2GO, but I suppose it's necessary to do that in order to have 
> the class still exist when the object ceases to...Okay, but that's a 
> fix to the rule rather than this object.

What do you mean by a 2GO 'inheriting' from a 2GC? It seems to me that 
'inherit' isn't the right word for that...

> > * Distinguishing "methods that can be performed 'on' an object" from 
> > any
> >  other properties or abilities it may have. This is unnecessary.
>
> Unnecessary to distinguish values that can be altered from methods 
> that can't be?  Properties are local to what you call the instance; 
> methods are part of the class.

I think e's asking about where you're going to put things like, 
"whenever this object is within x spaces of some other object, it loses 
such and such an ability", and whatnot - not Properties as their 
defined, but properties as in things that are true about the object. 
For example, where would a Siren's attractive properties be put in this 
scheme? Would we have to define some sort of 'checkConditions' function 
that triggers each time anything happens, to make sure it can? Would 
the player's 'Move' function have to check for sirens? There's no space 
in the object definitions right now for 'fun facts' about objects.

> > Finally, you're calling the base class "Base". So anything at all 
> > that's
> > object-oriented can be referred to as "a Base". That's hardly 
> > intuitive,
> > and I can think of lots of other more specific things which may want 
> > to
> > be called "a Base".
>
> What do you suggest, then, as the name of the class that all other 
> classes inherit from?

Game Object.

--
Wonko

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