Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Prop: Leveling The Playing Field(s)

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On 3/29/03 at 1:27 AM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
> > If someone wanted to do such, they could set their Automation Script to 
> > something like,
> > "Whenever M-Tek asks me to do something, I do it if I can"
> > or
> > "Whenever Glotmorf asks me to do something, I do it if I can"
> >
> > That would work out just fine.  Even though I am opposed to even that kind 
> > of 'puppetry', giving anyone the power of more than one player, it would 
> > work.
>
> I would be very hesitant to put anything resembling that in my automation 
> script.  I would have absolutely no idea what might then be asked of me.

I would never give anyone control over me, and I'm not suprised in the least 
that you are just as hesitant.  But you wanted to know "what if I had to 
have them do something right away?".  I would say tough, why should you be 
so special that you get to take advantage of the opportunity?  However, you 
wanted a way, and there's a way.  And if you were going to use them to 
exploit something, wouldn't you need pretty big leeway to do what you wished 
with them anyway?  Or at least real good control over their points and BNS, 
which players are just as unlikly to give up.


> At least with charters, what would be asked of a member is there in plain 
> sight, so that when someone joins the society e knows what might be asked 
> of em, and eir joining implies consent.  Even if the charter is changed, 
> since it is a public document said change isn't going to come secretly.

I fail to see how that's any different from "Whenever M-Tek asks me to do 
something, I do it if I can".  M-Tek will only ask its members to do things 
as regulated by the charter.  If you don't want the society asking its 
members to do just anything, change the charter to say "M-Tek only asks its 
members to do the following, and only when these conditions are met:", and 
follow with things like "M-Tek asks its members to give it 5 points at the 
beginning of each nweek".

> Yes, specific permissions rather than blanket permissions can be put in 
> members' automation scripts.  But should the requirements of the society 
> change, that would mean each member would have to modify eir automation 
> script (assuming e decided to remain a member), rather than a single change 
> being made at the charter level.

Completly covered in my above example.  Amend the charter to ask its members 
to do something else, and the members' automation scripts automatically 
cover it.

> The tone of your text suggests you're going to try to get rid of it again.  
> If it's not an immediate problem for you, and if players are content with 
> it being in place, why do you have such a bug up your butt about it?

It's an instability.  It opens up all sorts of bad possibilities for 
Screwing With Time, which is a Bad Thing?.  If someone does something as a 
result of a society forcing them to, they can, at a later date, say "Oh!  I 
didn't do that!  I left the society instead!"  Therefore screwing with time, 
as it changes past events.

And fixing such things is a part of the Benevolent Activist philosophy. :)

If you think I'm trying to get rid of your control over and life support of 
Iain, I'm not, at least not with the societies thing.  Dave just made the 
prop to remove Iain completly, and that should take care of it.  As far as I 
can tell, Iain's gone, just as gone as any of the other players who've met 
Garbage Collection.  And unless I hear a reason for him avoid it, then why 
should be excepted?  I wouldn't mind him hanging around if he were watching 
idly, planning to rejoin at some point perhaps.  But do we know that?

Orc in a Spacesuit

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