Re: [spoon-discuss] societies and corporations discussion

["Baron von Skippy" <baronvonskippy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

-A couple of vSOI fixes: 1) Athena is a member. 2) Don't bother with the 
stipulation about being Prez of M-Tek. Actually, if you could replace that 
with a stipulation about being leader of any other society...? Either that 
or no restriction; I see no reason at the moment to single out Glotmorf 
unless I'm doing the same to Wonko, Athena, and you. Fair's fair.-

                                                  [[BvS]]





> From: "Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: [spoon-discuss] societies and corporations discussion
> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:44:50 -0500
>
> Ok... Here's my society fix.  I include a few definitions in the beginning 
> of the 2 rules I modify, so that I can just delete those definitions to mek 
> this all compatible with the uber.
>
> I think the Standard Methods are pretty much useless, as only M-Tek uses 
> any, and it just uses one.  However, they remain in this draft.  What do 
> you guys think?
>
> I don't propose the following, cause this is in -discuss:
> {{__Societies and Corporations__
>
> Change the rule __Societies__ to read the following:
> {{
>
> A. Definition
> In this rule, an Independent Entity is the Administrator or a Player
> In this rule, a Dependent Entity is a Gremlin, Society or Corporation.
> In this rule, an Entity is either of the two above.
> A Society is a group of one or more entities known as Members of the 
> Society.
>
> B. Society Rules
>
> A Society may have internal rules that are binding upon its Members. 
> Internal rules defer to game rules.
>
> A Society's internal rules consist of public rules and private rules. 
> Public rules must be readable by all Players in the game, and are 
> enforcible at the game level. Private rules are freeform; maintenance and 
> enforcement of private rules is the responsibility of the Members of the 
> Society.  Internal rules do not allow entities to perform actions in ways 
> that they otherwise cannot.
>
> Public rules may include conditions in which a Society performs actions.  
> (A Society is an Entity, so may perform actions, such as tranfer points, 
> join another society, propose... etc, of course subject to all applicable 
> rules and restrictions in the rules.)
>
> A public rule can be a reference to a Standard Method. A Standard Method is 
> a rule defined within this game rule that regulates a particular action. A 
> Standard Method is not an internal rule of a Society, and is not binding 
> upon a Society or its Members, unless a public rule of that Society 
> references it. A Society's public rules can regulate actions over and above 
> what cited Standard Methods regulate, but those public rules defer to game 
> rules.
>
> A Standard Method must be uniquely identified within this game rule, and 
> must be unambiguously referenced by a Society's public rule for it to be 
> binding.  A Standard Method does not permit an Entity to do something which 
> is otherwise illegal (just because you have a standard method to propose 
> doesn't mean you can, regardless of bandwidth).
>
> C. Society Charter
>
> A Society must have a Charter, which contains its public rules. This 
> collection of charters may contain other pertinent information, and the 
> Administrator is encouraged to include such information as whether or not 
> the Society still exists in this collection. The Charter is considered a 
> game document, and is maintained by the Administrator in a collection of 
> Charters.  This charter may not also be a rule [[for clarity; if you want 
> to create a society through proposal, just create one, rather than through 
> a rule]].
>
> A Society's Charter can only be modified by the Society or its Members if 
> the Society has a public rule stating the method for doing so, and if the 
> Society has no members that are Dependent Entities.  Any such changes do 
> not take effect until the end of the nweek, or after 3 ndays, whichever is 
> longer.  Such changes are not binding on and do not affect On Leave 
> players, and any player coming Off Leave after a change has 3 ndays in 
> which to either leave the society or accept the changes.  The changes are 
> binding and do affect that member upon the time limit being reached or the 
> member accepting the changes.
>
> If a Charter referrs to an entity by name, and the name of what it referrs 
> to changes, the Charter is modified to refer to the same entity, unless a 
> rule or the Charter states othewise.
>
> Standard Methods for Modifying a Society's Charter are:
>
> C.1. Unanimous Consent
>
> In the first half of a given nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a 
> modification to the Society's Charter on the public forum. If all Members 
> of the Society then, in the same nweek as the modification was proposed, 
> state in the public forum that they agree to the modification, the 
> modification is applied to the Charter.
>
> D. Membership
>
> An entity can be a Member of one or more Societies. A Society must have at 
> least one Member upon its creation; if a Society ever has no Members, it 
> ceases to exist.
>
> D.1. Joining a Society
>
> An entity may join a Society if the Society's public rules permit em to do 
> so. If a Society's public rules provide a set of circumstances whereby an 
> entity may become a Member, those circumstances must be met before the 
> entity becomes a Member.
>
> Membership in a Society is voluntary. An entity is not required to become a 
> Member of a Society, and may refuse membership if offered or declared by 
> the Society by stating said refusal on a public forum. However, once an 
> entity has been offered membership or has been declared a Member, and has 
> performed an action as a Member, e is considered to have joined the 
> Society, and its internal rules are binding upon em.
>
> Standard Methods for Joining a Society are:
>
> D.1.1. Open Enrollment
>
> Any Player who is not a Member of the Society may issue a Request for 
> Admittance (RFA) to the public forum. If a majority of the Members of the 
> Society deny the RFA within four ndays of its issuance, then the RFA is 
> destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, the Player who issued the RFA 
> becomes a Member of the Society.
>
> D.1.2. Closed Enrollment
>
> Any Player who is not a Member of the Society may issue a Request for 
> Admittance (RFA) to the public forum. If any Member of the Society denies 
> the RFA within four ndays of its issuance, then the RFA is destroyed and 
> has no effect. Otherwise, the Player who issued the RFA becomes a Member of 
> the Society.
>
> D.1.3. Unanimous Invitation
>
> A Member of the Society may extend an Invitation on the public forum to a 
> Player who is not a Member. If all Members of the Society state their 
> agreement with the Invitation, and if the Player who is Invited states that 
> e accepts the Invitation, e becomes a Member of the Society.
>
> D.2. Leaving a Society
>
> Membership in a Society is voluntary. An entity who is considered to have 
> joined a Society is not required to remain a Member. A Society's public 
> rules may regulate the method for a Member to leave the Society, and said 
> method is binding upon the departing member, but it cannot prohibit leaving 
> the Society altogether, and may bind the entity upon the entity once e has 
> departed.
>
> Standard Methods for Leaving a Society are:
>
> (none at this time)
>
> D.3. Ousting a Member
>
> A Society can Oust a Member (terminate said Member's membership; cause said 
> Member to cease to be a Member) if the Society's public rules state the 
> circumstances under which Ousting can happen. Said circumstances may 
> include aspects of the gamestate, aspects of a Member, actions of Members, 
> or a combination of these.
>
> Standard Methods for Ousting a Member are:
>
> D.3.1. Open Ousting
>
> Any Player who is a Member of the Society may issue a Writ of Exclusion 
> (WOE) towards any other Member to the public forum. If a majority of the 
> Members of the Society other than the target of the WOE deny the WOE within 
> four ndays of its issuance, then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. 
> Otherwise, the Member who was targeted by the WOE ceases to be a Member of 
> the Society. Such Oustings take effect at the beginning of the next Voting 
> Period.
>
> D.3.2. Closed Ousting
>
> Any Player who is a Member of the Society may issue a Writ of Exclusion 
> (WOE) towards any other Member to the public forum. If any Member of the 
> Society other than the target of the WOE denies the WOE within four ndays 
> of its issuance, then the WOE is destroyed and has no effect. Otherwise, 
> the Member who was targeted by the WOE ceases to be a Member of the 
> Society. Such evictions take effect at the beginning of the next Voting 
> Period.
>
> E. Resources
>
> A Society may have the properties Bandwidth, Points, and/or BNS, if such is 
> stated in the charter of that Society.  Any Entity that has any of these 
> may transfer any positive amount to any Society that has that property.  
> The default values for these properties is 0.
>
> Just to be perfectly clear, any Entity that has Points, Bandwidth, and/or 
> BNS may transfer any positive amount of those to any other Entity that has 
> the tranferred property.
>
> F. Society Proposals (Chutzpah 2)
>
> Beginning in the nweek after the one in which they are created, Societies 
> may submit proposals to the game ballot just as Players can; these are 
> referred to as Society Proposals, or Club Props. If the properties of a a 
> Society would be changed by the rules as a result of voting, and the 
> Society does not have that property, all members of that society get that 
> change divided by the number of members in that society with that property, 
> rounded up.  Submitting a proposal does require the society to have and pay 
> bandwidth, just as it does with players.
>
> When a Society submits a proposal, it must state a member who can propose 
> (if e were freed of bandwidth restrictions) of the society to be the 
> Presenter.  If a property is referenced in a rule that the Society does not 
> have but the Presenter does, the rule looks to the Presenter's property.  
> Such properties may result in restrictions on the proposal, as defined by 
> the rules (This is for BAC and such.  I'm pretty much making it such that 
> one person actually delivers the prop).
>
> A Society may not make proposals if the number of Members not On Leave in 
> the Society is less than 2 or greater than one half the number of Off Leave 
> Players in the game.
>
> If a Player leaves a Society, and the Society made Society Proposals 
> earlier that same nweek while the Player was a Member, those Society 
> Proposals still count against the Player's Bandwidth, and the ballot 
> results of those Society Proposals will still affect the Player's Score, 
> Charm and Entropy. The Player will not, however, auto-vote Yes for the 
> Society Proposals.
>
> Standard Methods for Submitting Society Proposals are:
>
> F.1. Open Proposing
>
> In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a 
> Society Proposal to the public forum. If a majority of Members other than 
> the proposing Member deny the Society Proposal in the same nweek as the 
> proposal is proposed, the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no 
> effect.
>
> F.2. Closed Proposing
>
> In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a 
> Society Proposal to the public forum. If any Member other than the 
> proposing Member denies the Society Proposal in the same nweek as the 
> proposal is proposed, the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no 
> effect.
>
> F.3. Unanimous Proposing
>
> In the first six ndays of an nweek, a Member of the Society may propose a 
> Society Proposal to the public forum. In 0the same nweek that the proposal 
> is proposed, all Members of the Society must agree to the proposal in the 
> public forum; otherwise the proposal is removed from the ballot and has no 
> effect.
>
> G. Creating a Society
>
> A Society may be created by a proposal, or by a Player action.  When a 
> Society is created, the creator or proposer automatically becomes a member 
> of that Society.  The proposal or action may also include an Invitation 
> List, which is a list of entities.  Any entity on an Invitation List for a 
> society may join it by Accepting the Invitation.  If the Society would be 
> created by Proposal, an Entity on the List may Accept the Invitation prior 
> to the passing of the proposal, and may cancel the Acceptance at any time 
> prior to the passing of the proposal.  [[I highly suggest that there be a 
> way to modify the Invitation List in the Charter.]]  A proposal may create 
> a Society by stating the Society's Charter.  A player may only create a 
> Society through Player Action once per nweek, and only during the first 5 
> days of an nweek.
>
> H. Destroying a Society
>
> A Society may be destroyed by a proposal, by the leaving or Ousting of all 
> its Members, or, if the Society has a public rule stating the method for 
> it, by the actions of its Members. A destroyed Society's Charter is 
> discarded, and the Society ceases to exist.
>
> If the proposal destroying the Society, or the Society's public rules for 
> the destruction of the Society, do not state that its proposed but 
> unimplemented Society Proposals remain on the ballot, the Society's 
> unimplemented Society Proposals are removed from the ballot and have no 
> effect.
>
> Standard Methods for Destroying a Society are:
>
> H.1. Unanimous Dissolution
>
> Any time prior to the end of a nweek, a Member of the Society can declare 
> the Society's destruction on the public forum. If all Members of the 
> Society agree to the destruction in the same nweek as the declaration, the 
> Society is immediately destroyed.
> }}
> [[End of revision to __Societies__]]
>
> Modify the rule __Corporations__ (1149/0) to read the following:
> {{
> A. Definition
> In this rule, an Independent Entity is the Administrator or a Player
> In this rule, a Dependent Entity is a Gremlin, Society, or a Corporation.
> In this rule, an Entity is either of the two above.
> A Corporation is a group of one or more entities known as Employees of the 
> Corporation.
>
> Once per nweek, if e has not done so already, an Entity may create a 
> Corporation, giving it a uniquely identifying name and .  A Corporation may 
> have Employees, which are entities, and an Owner, which is an Entity.  The 
> Owner may cause a Corporation to take legal actions.
> Entities may Apply to a Corporation, and may Withdraw an application.
> Corporations may Hire an Entitity who has Applied to that Corporation and 
> not subsequently Withdrawn eir application.  When an Entity is Hired by a 
> Corporation, e becomes an Employee of that Corporation.
> A Corporation may Fire an Employee.  Any Employee who is Fired by a 
> Corporation is no longer an Employee of that Corporation.
> An Employee of a Corporation may Quit that Corporation.  Any Employee who 
> Quits a Corporation is no longer an Employee of that Corporation.
>
> A Corporation may confer and withdraw Positions to its Employees and Owner. 
>  Positions are not Titles, and do not affect the game in any way, except 
> when a Rule, Proposal, Charter, or Mission Statement refers specifically to 
> an Employee of that Company with that Position.  (So having the Position 
> "Glotmorf" in Corporation "Wonko's Slaves" wouldn't cause a Charter 
> referring to "Glotmorf" to refer to the person with that position; the 
> Charter would have to refer to the "The Glotmorf of Wonko's Slaves".)
> A Corporation may change it's Mission Statement.  Such changes take effect 
> at the end of the nweek in which the change is made.
>
> A Corporation may have a Mission Statement, which defines conditions in 
> which the Corporation takes Actions (such as hiring, fireing, payroll, 
> etc), includes restrictions on when and if certain Actions may be taken by 
> the Corporation, and may include conditions in which the Corporation's 
> Mission Statement is changed.  The Mission Statement defers to all other 
> game rules, but does control what action the Owner may cause the 
> Corporation to take.
> The Mission Statement cannot cause any Employee to do anything (but may 
> cause Employees to be Fired and/or get no Pay if e doesn't).
>
> If a Mission Statement referrs to an entity by name, and the name of what 
> it referrs to changes, the Mission Statement is modified to refer to the 
> same entity, unless a rule or the Mission Statement states othewise.
> A Corporation has Points and BNS, and the default values for those is 0.
> The Owner, Employees, Point, BNS, and Mission Statement of all Corporations 
> must be publicly available.
>
> If the Mission Statement of a Corporation confers a Position to the Owner 
> of a Corporation, and that entity ceases to have that Position, e also 
> ceases to be the Owner of that Corporation.  If an entity gains that 
> Position, all other Employees
>
> [[Some notes:
> A Society named "Thingies, Inc. Board of Directors" would make a good owner 
> for a Society named "Thingies, Inc.".
> The Owner of a Corporation might also want to be an Employee.
> A corporation doesn't need employees, an owner, or a mission statement, but 
> won't be doing much without them.]]
> }}
>
> Change the following Societies to Corporations with the following 
> properties (and if the named society does not exist, create one with the 
> name given):
> {{
> Former Society: von Skippy Overproduction, Inc.
> Owner: Baron von Skippy
> Employees: Baron von Skippy, The Voice, Wild Card, Glotmorf, Wonko, bd, 
> Squire of Dimness
> Mission Statement: von Skippy Overproduction, Inc. may also be referred to 
> as vSOI.  The Owner of vSOI has the position "CEO".  If all Employees of 
> vSOI other than the CEO of vSOI consent to have vSOI perform an action, it 
> does so, if the action is otherwise legal [[in addition to the CEO getting 
> to, as per the rules]].  If at any time there is no CEO of vSOI, the 
> Employee of vSOI who has been an employee for the longest time and is not 
> the Prez of MTek becomes the Owner of vSOI, if one exists.  If at any time 
> the CEO of vSOI is the Prez of MTek, e loses the position CEO.
>
> Former Society: Athena's Society
> Owner: Athena
> Employees: Athena, bd, Lord Gregarian, BvS, Orc in a Spacesuit
> Mission Statement: If Athena's Society has points or BNS greater than the 
> number of Employees it has, Athena's Society transfers one of that 
> propoerty to each of its members that can have that property.  The Owner of 
> Athena's Society may modify its Mission Statement.
>
> Former Society: Wealthy Bastard Enterprises
> Owner: Wonko
> Employees: Wonko
> Mission Statement: Wealthy Bastard Enterprises may also be referred to as 
> WBE.  The Owner of WBE has the positions "Wealthy Bastard" and "Boss".  At 
> the end of each nweek, before Corporation Mission Statement changes are 
> made, if WBE has enough BNS to do so, it transfers 55 BNS to the Boss and 
> 11 BNS to each non-Boss Employee.  The Boss may modify WBE's Mission 
> Statement.
>
> Former Society: OrcTech
> Owner: Orc In A Spacesuit
> Employees: Orc In A Spacesuit
> Mission Statement: The Owner of OrcTech has the position "Master".  If 
> there is no Master of OrcTech, if any Employees have the Position "Next in 
> Line X", where X is an integer, the Employee with the lowest X becomes the 
> new Master.  If there are no such Employees, the Employee who has been an 
> Employee the longest becomes the new Master. The Master may modify the 
> Mission Statement of OrcTech, except for the last two sentences.
> If Orc In A Spacesuit is an Employee and is not the Master, e becomes the 
> Master.
> If Orc In A Spacesuit is not an Employee of OrcTech, and e Applies to 
> OrcTech, OrcTech automatically Hires him.
> }}
> [[End corporations list]]
>
> Change the Charter of M-Tek to read the following:
> {{
> Glotmorf is the Prez of M-Tek.  M-Tek takes a legal action upon the Prez 
> saying it does, or after 2 ndays of 1/2 of the members of M-Tek say it does 
> if the Prez does not veto the action.  These actions include adding or 
> removing an Entity from the Invitation List of M-Tek, ousting a member of 
> M-Tek, and making a proposal.  If there is no Prez of M-Tek, the member of 
> M-Tek with the highest Entropy becomes the new Prez.
> M-Tek uses the Unanimous Consent Standart Method for modifying its Charter.
> At the beginning of each nweek's voting period, if M-Tek could have legally 
> submited a proposal but did not, the Prez must give 5 points to each other 
> member of M-Tek, if possible.
> }}
>
> Change the Charter of The Secret Mookies to the following:
> {{
> 'Lord Gregarian' is the High Mookie.
> The High Mookie can change this charter.
> Anyone can join The Secret Mookies by saying e wants to and getting the 
> High Mookie to ok it.
> The High Mookie can kick anybody out of The Secret Mookies.
> }}
>
> Destroy all societies other than M-Tek and The Secret Mookies.
> }}
> [[end unproposed proposal]]
>
> If you have problems with this, let me know.  Also, be sure to tell me what 
> you think of all the Standard Method stuff.
> Orc In A Spacesuit
> sips his tea.
>
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