Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Nweek 20 vote results

["Jeremy \"Athena\" Cook" <mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Wonko the Sane wrote:

> >All right, here's a comment: I don't like it.
> >
> >There's nothing wrong with the system we have. Your proposal would mean
> >a player using all of eir proposal chits could only make one proposal next
> >turn, and then one the turn after, and so on, if e didn't want to spend
> >hard-earned points on buying more chits. And they're expensive! The
> >proposal really cuts down on point earnings from proposals.
>
> I would say there is something wrong with the system we have - we've had it
> for two nyears. The point of Nomic is to change not just the rules, but the
> means of changing the rules. Right now, all we're doing is changing rules
> for the Grid. That's interesting, but it's not really Nomic. It's a separate
> game which happens to have been created by a game of Nomic. The fundamental
> rule-changing system remains unchanged. So let's have some fun with
> fundamentals!
>
> --
> Wonko
> Screw with the Fundamentals!

I agree - we should screw with the fundamentals - but the Proposal Chit
system only changes the appearance of the fundamentals (by making it more
cumbersome and annoying) and doesn't change the effects at all. It doesn't
really _do_ anything - it just tosses in Chits.  If we want
to screw with the fundamentals, let's hear some proposals for, say,
formulae for how many proposals a player gets to make based on votes e
received, or ideas like the half-proposal idea extended to various other
fractions of a proposal.

In other words, change things by really changing them, not by setting up
new clothes for old systems.

Athena

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