Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] On Leave

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/12/02 at 9:52 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>> On 7/12/02 at 1:38 PM Rob Speer wrote:
>>
>>> The CFJ that 828/0 is vividness, I administer justice. I give the sushi
>>> to the bd.
>>>
>>> I go on Leave.
>>> --
>>> Rob Speer
>>
>> If this is interpreted to mean the CFI is judged TRUE, I appeal.
>>
>
>I actually think Rob's right, though not perhaps for the reasons given. The
>societies in question cannot have gremlins as members because they cannot
>exist.
>
>I also have a question for Glotmorf: In your delusional world where
>societies are created upon declaration, when do the Initial members get
>added? The rule in question clearly makes reference to changes being made
>to
>the initial members list *after* the declarations of the societies; but any
>dictionary will tell you that, by definition, changes of an 'initial' list
>after the creation of the society is possible only through alteration of
>the
>past. How does your interpretation reconcile this?
>
>--
>Wonko

>From my perspective, a society is created the moment it's declared on the public forum.  That means the entities in the initial members list are immediately members, as far as the society is concerned.

The significance of the part of sG2 that talks about people on the initial list declining to be members is actually a reflection of sD1, paragraph 2, where it states that membership is voluntary; this means one can't simply create a society that puts immediate obligations on players.

The apparent confusion you're having must be due to the phrasing of sG2 para 2, which was patterned after sG1 para 2.  In sG1, the society comes into existence with the passage of the proposal, and therefore must have an initial list of members intact or immediately perish as per sH.  But, as per sD1, a player is unquestioningly considered a member once e does some action as a member; that action in sG2 is the official acceptance of eir membership.

Please note, though, that the second sentence of sG2 para 2, up until your proposal passed, talked about "Players", not "entities"; therefore, entities other than players did not at that time have a requirement to formally accept membership.  Their official action as a member, per sD1, would be their vote on the society's club props.

						Glotmorf


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