Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] DimShip redo

["Alex Truelsen" <a_skywalker85@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> A.2. Virtual Dimensions
>
> A Player's virtual dimensions are the values of eir real dimensions, plus 
the
> buoyancy and minus the ballast of whatever DimShip e is currently 
occupying at
> the time.  A virtual dimension cannot differ from the corresponding real
> dimension by more than |100|.

So then, something like, say, a radar tower, which adjusts players' radar 
dimension to be 3 higher than it would be otherwise suddenly doesn't have 
any effect?

-Is Radar a dimension? Where is it defined as such?-

> A.4. Coupled Ships
>
> A coupled DimShip is two or more DimShips connected together and 
functioning
> as a single ship.  Ballast and buoyancy for a coupled DimShip are still 
each
> limited to 50, but are multiplied by the number of single ships in the 
coupled
> ship.  E.g. if a coupled ship contains three single ships, and the 
coupled
> ship's buoyancy is set to 10 respect, the modification applied would be 
+30
> respect.

So if you couple twenty DimShips and launch at +50 Score, you win an
infinite number of times?

-No, because your Score dimension cannot be altered by more then 100. See 
Section A.2.-

> B.2.3. Pilots
>
> A pilot can be hired for 10 points, and will then charge 2 points per 
nweek
> starting with the following nweek unless and until the Pilot is fired.  A
> Pilot can board and disembark a Landed DimShip, or can move from a single
> DimShip to another within a coupled DimShip, or can move from one DimShip 
to
> another if their ballast and buoyancy are the same.  If the DimShip the 
pilot
> is moving to does not belong to the Player who hired the Pilot, the owner 
of
> the DimShip must explicitly permit the Pilot to enter on the public 
forum.

I've looked around through the rest of this, and I see absolutely no use for 
Pilots. What are they good for?

-That's under Section C.3, where it says that you or your pilot must be on a 
DimShip to move it.-

> C. Use
>
> C.1. Launching and Landing
>
> A DimShip is put into active use when it is Launched.  A DimShip is taken 
out
> of active use when it is Landed.  Launching occurs at the end of the 
nweek.
> Landing can occur at any time, and results in buoyancy and ballast being 
set
> to 0.  A DimShip reduced to 0 buoyancy and ballast capacity Lands
> automatically.

Why lands automatically? Can't we decide to cruise at our normal levels for 
a bit, perhaps to get off a shot at another ship, then fly off to another 
region without having to wait for another Launch?

-Actually, I'm with Wonko on this one.-

> C.2. Occupying
>
> A Player can board (enter) a DimShip e owns if that DimShip is landed.  A
> Player can move from a DimShip e occupies to a DimShip e owns if the 
DimShips
> are in the same location.  A Player can board a DimShip e doesn't own, or 
move
> from a DimShip e occupies to a DimShip e doesn't own in the same 
location, if
> the owner of the DimShip explicitly permits.  A Player can force other 
Players
> and Pilots the Player has not hired off a DimShip e owns if the DimShip 
is
> Landed.
>
> A Player only occupies a single DimShip at a time.

Shouldn't that last statement be a restriction, as opposed to a declaration 
of fact? We don't have any provisions for the ruleset simply being wrong - 
like if it says 'A Player only occupies a single DimShip at a time', but a 
player is occupying two DimShips at once...

-"A player may only occupy..." perhaps?-


> C.4. Coupling
>
> A Player may couple any number of DimShips e owns in the same dimensional
> location to produce a coupled DimShip.  A Player may uncouple DimShips 
from a
> coupled DimShip at any time; the uncoupled DimShips are considered to 
remain
> at the same dimensional location as the coupled DimShip.

What happens if a player occupies a Coupled DimShip, then uncouples it?
Technically, the player was occupying all of the individual DimShips before 
hand; which does e occupy now? If e still occupies all of them, then one of 
the above sections is wrong, as it states that this is not the case.

-Well, unless they're cruising at b/b = 0, there are Pilots on all of the 
Coupled DimShips save one- the one the player occupies. The player must have 
occupied one Ship before the Coupling, perhaps they still occupy it, unless 
they explicitly state otherwise?-

Also, might it not be a good idea to mention that only uncoupled DimShips 
may be coupled? The above def'n seems to imply that a new DimShip is created 
upon the coupling that is made up of other DimShips; what stops one from 
coupling two sets of 5 into two Coupled DimShips, then coupling the two of 
them together? Admittedly, I see no reason why it would ever help anyone to 
do that, but then again, up until recently I saw no reason why it would be 
helpful to throw Gnomes out for 5 points :)

-It would only hurt you, wouldn't it? You'd be stuck with two, having paid 
for ten. That's 800 points (plus Equipment) down the drain. (Although, if 
you've got the points to buy 10 DimShips, you've got 1000 points. Don't buy 
the Ships, win the game. Just a thought.)-

> If a DimShip's ballast or buoyancy capacity is reduced below N, where N 
is the
> number of Guns and Armor the DimShip carries times 10, first Guns and 
then
> Armor are destroyed until N is at or below both buoyancy and ballast 
capacity.
> Destroyed Guns and Armor no longer count as ballast or buoyancy.

Guns and Armor count as ballast and buoyancy?

-That's B.2.1 and B.2.2, where they're defined as adding Ballast and 
Buoyancy to the Ship.-

> In addition to the above, if a Player possessing the Sushi occupies a 
DimShip
> with a Gun, e may, once per nweek, shoot the Sushi at a Player in a 
DimShip in
> the same realm.  This is equivalent to forcefully giving the Sushi to 
another
> Player, but does not require the Sushi to be owned for four ndays. (This 
takes
> precedence over Rule 213.)

So if you're riding in a DimShip that is also occupied by the player with 
the Sushi, and your ship has a gun, your passenger can shoot the Sushi at 
you?

-Sure, why not? It's a dorsal cannon, and what goes up...-

--
Wonko

                                          -BvS-

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