[spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Mega-Proposal (revision)

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Dan Waldron,

> {{
> __Introducing Physical Law__
> 
> Give to the following Rules the type "Physical Law":
> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 22, 33, 153, 154, 205, 206, 207,
> 210, 213, 215, 216, 258, 259, 293, 295, 298, 301, 344, 346, 347, 349, 350,
> 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 394, 401, 405, 407, 408, 440, 441, 443, 466,
> 469, 493, 494, 495, 497, 498, 502, 503, 504, 546, 547, 549, 550, 577, 628,
> 635, 622, 696, 705, 748, 749, 750, 751, 752, 753.
> 
> Give to the following Rules the type "Mutable Rule":
> 0, 9, 10, 14, 15, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 124,
> 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 150, 151, 152, 155, 204, 208, 209, 211, 212, 214,
> 216, 217, 255, 257, 262, 263, 294, 300, 358, 393, 395, 396, 403, 404, 436,
> 437, 573, 578, 580, 625, 626, 627, 629, 630, 631, 633, 536, 697, 698, 699,
> 700, 701, 704, 706, 746.
> 
> Give to any rules not specified in either of the above two lists the
> designation "Mutable Rule"

Just out of curiosity, why not replace the second list of numbers and that
last sentence with "Make all other rules mutable"?

> Enact the following new rule and make it a "Physical Law"
> {{
> __Rule Classes & Permissions__ {*Rules, Players, Administrator, 10 *}
> 
> There exist three types of rules: Physical Laws, Mutable Rules, and
> Society rules.
> 
> Physical Laws take precedence over all other rules.  Mutable Rules take
> precedence over society rules.
> 
> All entities defined or regulated by the Physical Laws by obey the
> Physical Laws.  An action is impossible if it is prohibited by the
> Physical Laws.
> 
> Players, the Administrator, and any other self-willed entities are
> required to obey the Mutable Rules. An action is illegal if it is
> prohibited by the Mutable Rules.
> 
> Obeyance to the Physical Laws does not exempt an entity subject to the
> Mutable Rules from any requirement in either body of rules.
> 
> Society Rules are of lower precedence than Physical Laws or Mutable Rules.
> Players are not required to obey Charter Rules except as specified in the
> Mutable Rules.  Non-player entities are not required to obey the Charter
> Rules.
> 
> }}

I thought you said above that you removed the Charter stuff... Is that last
para a mistake?

> Revise rule 13 "Definitions" by revising it to read as follows:
> {{ 
> 
> A player is any entity who is capable of passing the Turing test, consents
> to said designation as a player, has become a player in the manner
> described in the rules, and who consents to be abide by the Mutable Rules.
> 
> A being is any entity which is either a Player or the Administrator.
> 
> A Proposing Entity, or PE, is any entity which is capable of issuing a
> Proposal. 
> 
> Beings may make changes to the rules and game state.  Non-beings may not,
> except as specified by physical law.
> }}

So a non-being object such as, say, a mutable rule couldn't change the game
state?

> Revise rule 25 by amending it to read as follows:
> {{
> 
> The Administrator is responsible for all game duties not assigned by the
> Rules to other players.
> 
> The Administrator shall alter the rules and the game state only as
> follows:
> 
> E shall update the game state to reflect actions legally taken and
> rules-defined game events.
> 
> E shall create and distribute points when called upon to do so
> by the Mutable Rules.
> 
> E shall alter the rules and game state as formally requested to do so by
> players via procedures defined in the mutable rules.
> 
> If no players exist or it has become demonstrably impossible to make
> changes to either the Physical Laws or the Mutable Rules e shall make such
> changes to the rules and game state as are nescessary to ensure that
> future play is possible.
> 
> }}

But... This is Mutable rule... Unless it takes precedence over Physical Law,
it would be impossible to change the Physical Laws...

> Revise rule 14 by appending the following:
> {{
> Forfeiting is equivalent to withdrawal of consent.
> }}

Withdrawal of consent of what?

> Revise rule 18 by replacing "Ruleset" with "Mutable Rules" in the first
> paragraph.
> 
> Amend rule 152 by revising it to read as follows:
> {{
> Changes to the state of the game may only be made by an Action which is
> permitted (elsewhere) by the Mutable Rules, or by the Administrator
> performing eir duties.
> }}

Not by ministers?

> Amend rule 33 by appending the following, first having replaced the string
> "xxxx" with the serial number of the first rule created by this proposal.
> 
> {{ 
> Chutzpah comparisons shall not be made between rules of different
> types. As per rule xxxx physical laws always take precedence over other
> types of rule, and mutable rules take precedence over society rules.
> 
> }}

You just mentioned Society rules again...

> }}

-- 
Wonko

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