Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Friday night)

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> On 5/20/02 at 4:51 PM Wonko wrote:
> 
>> Quoth Glotmorf,
>> 
>>> On 5/20/02 at 4:31 PM Wonko wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Quoth Rob Speer,
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 05:56:36AM +0000, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Glotmorf's Holy Order of Points CFI is 708, assigned (randomly -- I'll
>>>>>> only handpick the judges if it's really important IMO) to Rob.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's convenient. I judge TRUE.
>>>> 
>>>> I appeal CFI 708, citing CFJ 254 as precedent. [[That was the one where
>>>> Bean
>>>> ruled that the effects of rules created by proposals did not count as
>>>> effects of the proposals themselves.]]
>>>> 
>>>> BTW, r127 still has an occurrence of the word 'randomly' in it, which
>> ought
>>>> to have been removed by the admin's previous proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Wonko
>>> 
>>> Rule 155, which CFJ 254 addresses, was modified by Proposal 265, which
>> came
>>> after the CFJ.  Therefore, Rule 155 is more current than CFJ 254, so CFJ
>> 254
>>> isn't a valid precedent to address r155's current validity.
>> 
>> Sure it is. R155 still forbids proposals to have effects that descrinate
>> based on voting. The HOOP prop creates a rule. The rule is not an effect of
>> the proposal. Therefore, the same logic still applies and the HOOP is
>> legal.
>> And I'm richer.
>> --
>> Wonko
> 
> R155 also says:
> 
> "If a proposal, by adding, changing, or repealing rules, will generate effects
> which are based on the way players vote on that proposal, or any other
> specific proposal or proposals identified in the proposal, then those rules
> generate no effects based on the way players vote on that particular
> proposal."
> 
> It says this in R155/1.  The CFJ was on R155/0, which didn't say this.  CFJ
> 254 doesn't apply to R155/1, then, because R155/1 is a significantly different
> rule.


Nonetheless, the same logic applies. The proposal does not generate effects
based on how players voted. The rule may, but the rules are not the
proposal.
-- 
Wonko