Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/30/02 at 10:02 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>
>> As for the deletion, it couldn't happen, because, if a Charter Prop is
>> determined to not be a proposal, there's no provision for modifying a
>Charter
>> Prop.  And if it's still a proposal, then it can't be modified after
>voting
>> started.  What you were looking for was something at the beginning that
>said,
>> "...then this proposal has no effect."
>
>No, it can't be *revised* after voting. Thus, if it changes itself, that's
>perfectly okay, by the same logic that says the admin can Rectify stuff
>during Voting.

The logic that says the admin can rectify stuff during voting is the Typo rule.  There is no similar logic that allows a proposal to alter itself.  There is no provision at all for proposals to be deleted.  Aside from a rectification to remove a typo, the only explicit logic present for changing a proposal is r19, which says proposals can only be revised by their original author (which the proposal isn't), and that proposals can't be revised during voting.  So either deleting a proposal is a form of revision, and thus regulated, or it's an un-explicitly-permitted change to the game state, and thus illegal.

Besides, since the statement that deletes the proposal is in the proposal, it'd only happen if the proposal actually passed.  It could only pass with those vote counts if it's a Charter Prop, in which case it can't delete itself because Charter Props weren't vested with that sort of authority.  If it failed, the deletion instruction in the proposal couldn't have been performed.

So the proposal is still there.  It may not have had any effect, but it's still there.

						Glotmorf