Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/30/02 at 4:23 PM Karin L. Kross wrote:

>(catching up after a couple of days worth of busy-ness)
>
>On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Wonko wrote:
>
>> Besides, the Fight Club proposal was proposed before there was such
>thing as
>> a Charter Prop.; if it wasn't a normal proposal, then it had no business
>> being on the Ballot to begin with.
>
>Well, I did include in the proposal the following language:
>
>> This is a Charter Prop, to be defined by the rules included in
>> the @&%$! delimited text.
>>
>> If either 572 or 586 do not pass, or if both do not pass, this
>> proposal deletes itself.
>
>But it now occurs to me -- it appears (unless something is amiss
>with the website) that 572 ("if we sqeeze up a bit we can all fit
>in") did *not* in fact pass.  Therefore this proposal ought to
>have deleted itself on the non-passage of 572.
>
>So what happens to the votes, negative or otherwise, or the
>points that would have been won or lost, on a proposal that,
>according to its own terms, deleted itself?
>
>-Congenital Optimist

Aw...and after I did all that arguing for you too. :)  Ah well, it had to be done anyway.

If your Fight Club Charter Prop gets recognized as a Charter Prop (as it truly should be), then there should be no point gain or loss for it.

As for the deletion, it couldn't happen, because, if a Charter Prop is determined to not be a proposal, there's no provision for modifying a Charter Prop.  And if it's still a proposal, then it can't be modified after voting started.  What you were looking for was something at the beginning that said, "...then this proposal has no effect."

						Glotmorf