Re: spoon-discuss: Changing votes

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/27/02 at 9:40 PM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>> On 4/25/02 at 10:27 PM Wonko wrote:
>>
>>> Quoth Glotmorf,
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/02 at 10:13 PM Wonko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quoth Glotmorf,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mithter A...Both Rob and Wonko thay Prop 5-8-8 uthed to have the
>wordth
>>>>> "I
>>>>>> propothe a rule" in it, yet Prop 5-8-8 didn't thow that it wath
>making
>>> a
>>>>> rule
>>>>>> that contained a rule.  Therefore my vote wath bathed on a prop with
>a
>>>>> typo in
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pleathe correct Prop 5-8-8.  My vote on the correct verthion of it
>ith
>>>>> "yeth".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glotmorf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but you can't do that.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Wonko
>>>>
>>>> Thought it was worth a try.  After all, if I cast a vote on an
>incorrect
>>>> version of the proposal, the existentialists might argue my vote was
>>> cast on a
>>>> nonexistent proposal, and therefore my vote on that nonexistent
>proposal
>>> can't
>>>> exist either.  Certainly, if I cast my vote on a nonexistent proposal,
>I
>>>> didn't cast it on the actual, correct proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Gee...is existence a dimension?  And does it have values other than 0
>>> and 1?
>>>>
>>>> Glotmorf
>>>
>>> Actually, R4 - "Every modification to a revisable object that does not
>>> eliminate it from play creates a new version of it."
>>>
>>> OTOH, R19 - "Proposals may only be revised by their original author."
>>> suggests that the Admin may not be able to rectify things at all.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wonko
>>
>> What about r255, the typo rule?  One could argue that if a document has
>a typo
>> in it, it's a nonexistent form taking up space until the new, typo-free
>form
>> can come and take its place.  Hence, fixing a typo isn't a
>revision...it's a
>> rectification.
>>
>> Glotmorf
>>
>
>Revision isn't defined, so we must use the standard english definition - To
>revise is to reconsider and change or modify. The proposal said one thing,
>then changed to say another; it was clearly modified.
>
>--
>Wonko

The key word there isn't "modify"...it's "reconsider".  It implies a change of the intent of the one making the proposal: "I have thought it over, and I have decided I would rather be saying this new thing instead of what I was saying before."

A typo, however, is a mistake, something that was not part of the proposer's original intent, especially if that mistake was introduced by someone other than the proposer.  Correcting a typo, therefore, is not reconsidering and modifying intent, but is in fact producing a reflection of the original intent, which wasn't reflected earlier.  Since a proposal with a typo isn't a true expression of the proposer's intent, it isn't the real proposal; the real one is the one without the typo.

						Glotmorf