| Doig, Gavin on 11 Jan 2002 13:28:07 -0000 |
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> >But that doesn't make sense. If I submit a CFJ saying (in effect) "the
> >status quo persists" (and most CFJs say either that, or its opposite), and
> >it is judged Undecided, that shouldn't mean that the status quo persists -
> >it should mean that we are unable to determine whether the status quo
> >persists or not.
>
> There's no "we" there!! Where are you getting "we" from?!?
>
That's the point of CFJs. That's what they do. They tell us how *we* should interpret the rules.
> It means *that individual Judge* was unable to determine whether the status
> quo persists. It doesn't say anything about 'reality' outside of that's
> Judge's perception. In the absence of a Judge's ability to make a
> determination, nothing has changed.
>
In exactly the same way, a verdict of True means that that individual judge determined that the statement was true.
> >It would be useful to have game custom say that the circumstances we're in
> >lead to undecidability.
>
> Which is nonsense because an individual judge's inability to decide doesn't
> indicate anything about anybody else's ability to decide. Another Judge
> might be quite capable of deciding on the validity of the statement.
>
And another Judge might be capable of proving that a CFJ judged True should have been judged False.
> The only reason a "True" or "False" ruling -- which is also just the
> perception or interpretation of an individual judge -- changes anything is
> because the rules say it does.
>
I don't understand how you can accept this, yet have problems with undecided also changing game custom. It's the *same* *thing*! We select a judge to tell us whether the statement is true, false, undecidable, or irrelevant to the game. Yes, the judge may not be correct, and there may be a better answer - that's what the appeals process is for. But limitations in the judges ability apply no matter what verdict he reaches; if true and false establish game custom, then so should the other verdicts.
uin.
[Snip of argument that the rules are powerless over game custom anyway.]
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