Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Proposal: New religious text to be added.

[Dan Waldron <wald7330@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> 
> Depending on how R302 is interpreted, this would cause everyone who
> submits a Proposal--or very nearly so-- to be a Humble Disciple. Why?
> Here is the relevant portion of R302:
> 
> "If at any time a Player submits a proposal which will cause the
> creation or alteration of a rule so that the rule would subsequently
> contain the text of one or more verses(*) from a Recognised Religious
> Text(**), then that Player shall secretly become a Humble Disciple."
> 
> There has yet to be a Proposal that, if adopted, would not "cause the
> creation or alteration of a rule". Of course, these changes would
> become part of the Rules, which would qualify them as part of a
> "Recognized Religious Text". So, virtually any successful Proposal
> would contain a part of the Rules, since that's the very nature of
> Proposals.
> 
> Even if the timing is restricted such that the determination is made
> prior to the adoption of Proposals, many Proposals will easily contain
> "one or more complete sentences totaling fifteen or more words" from
> the existing Rules.

Not quite true.  Rule 302 only kicks in if the proposal would "...cause
the creation or alteration of a rule so that the rule would subsequently
contain the text of one or more verses..."

This means that a quote of a pre-existing rule would not, in itself, cause
the proposer to become a humble disciple.  It is fairly clear that the
point at which the proposer may become a holy disciple is a before their
proposal is passed, so I do not think that we need have a dispute about
that.

Now all we need to worry about are rule amendments that keep the rule
substantially the same, and new rules that actually quote old rules.

Anyway, I have as my root argument on this one that it is the most logical
and sensible thing to do, considering the nature of the proposal and the
nature of this game.  To leave this very game off the list of recognised
religions would be a heresy in itself.

;-) Poulenc