[Spoon-business] Re: MiniJustice

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Aug 2, 2004, at 7.38 AM, Araltaln wrote:

> Daniel Lepage wrote:
> > For things like CFI tracking, I'd like the Minister of CFIs to handle 
> > them however e wants. If e wants me to put some things on the wiki, 
> > or put some php scripts e wrote on bnomic.org, I'll do that, but I'd 
> > like to be able to ignore things like assigning CFIs and writing down 
> > the judgments. Then I'd like em to send me an XMLized version of all 
> > recently concluded CFIs, say once every nweek, so I can file them 
> > where a fulltext history searcher can find them.
>
> I'm sorry Dave^WWonko, I'm afraid I can't do that.
>
> While I'd be happy to send you the results of each nweek (when we have 
> them) in any format you explicitly give me, I currently have no power 
> to assign Judges to CFIs. All I get (currently) is this list.
>
> I do intend to make the list nicer in the near future, and I'll prop 
> to give myself the power you seem to think I have if no one else gets 
> to it before I'm decently rested.

Simple enough to fix. I deputize Araltaln to have all the powers and 
responsibilities conferred upon the administrator by rules 126, 127, 
and 128.


The format I'd like to get them in is complicated, and looks like this:

The CFI itself is in <cfi id="CFI_ID"> </cfi> tags.
Then, each of the following fields is provided within those, using the 
syntax <$fieldname> $fieldvalue </$fieldname>:
title: the title
birthdate: two subfields, the nweek and nday of the CFI's issuance.
plaintiff: the plaintiff's name
defendant: the defendant's name
statement: the statement to be judged
judge: the judge's name
final_jment: the final judgment
ptiff_anal: the plaintiff's analysis
def_anal: the defendant's analysis

Then we need the individual judgments (which could be numerous if it's 
Appealed and every Appellate Judge says something about it).

These could be in separate blocks, within <judgment cfi_id="CFI_ID" 
type="(Appellate|Original)"> </judgment> blocks, or you could leave out 
the cfi_id attribute and stick them all within the <cfi> block.

Each judgment contains, as fields:
judge: the judge's name
final_jment: the judgment e made
rationale: eir argument (if any)
birthdate: the same two-part thing as above.

So a sample CFI might look like:

<cfi id="12">
<title> DWIM </title>
<birthdate>
  <nweek>72</title>
  <nday>5</nday>
</birthdate>
<plaintiff> Bob the Voting Fish </plaintiff>
<defendant> The Scoring Gremlin </defendant>
<statement> R1 is really supposed to say, "Bob the Voting Fish wins 
each nweek"</statement>
<judge> Luigi </judge>
<final_jment> False </judge>
<ptiff_anal> Can you prove otherwise? </ptiff_anal>
<def_anal> Mr. the Voting Fish is making an absurd claim that he knows 
cannot hold up in any court of law. The statement is trivially false, 
and he is well aware of this. I recommend he be smacked in the back of 
the head with a rock in a sock. That'll clean his clock.</def_anal>
<judgment type="original">
  <birthdate>
    <nweek>72</title>
    <nday>8</nday>
  </birthdate>
  <judge> Luigi </judge>
  <final_jment> False </final_jment>
  <rationale> I agree with Enrique. </rationale>
</judgment>
</cfi>

If it had been appealed, we might see more judgments, as in:
<judgment type="appeal">
  <birthdate>
    <nweek>73</title>
    <nday>4</nday>
  </birthdate>
  <judge> A Fire Gnome </judge>
  <final_jment> Refused </final_jment>
  <rationale></rationale>
</judgment>

etc.

Is that doable? If not, tell me what is doable, and I'll see if I can 
work up a script to work with it.

--
Wonko

In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a 
really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would 
actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them 
again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, 
because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it 
happens every day. I cannot recall the last time someting like that 
happened in politics or religion.
      -Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP Keynote Address

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