RE: [eia] battles involving allied garrisons

["James Helle" <jhelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Here is my opinion:  I personally agree with Kyle that if an ally is not
contributing to the political points up for grabs then they should not reap
the benefits.  However, only the corps on the *losing* side are used to
calculate PP.
    Having said that, 7.5.2.10.1.3., says that the victor (should this also
say victors?) now gains PP and the loser loses them.  This implies to me
that *all* victors involved gain PP and that is my vote.



-----Original Message-----
From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
J.J. Young
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:57 PM
To: public list for an Empires in Arms game
Subject: Re: [eia] battles involving allied garrisons


Mike and I seem to agree that yes, an ally with only a garrison involved in
a field or limited field combat should still be included in the PP losses or
gains for the battle.  Kyle disagrees.

All three of us seem to agree that a besieged city garrison should be able
to help a relieving force, whether the garrison's owner has combined
movement with the reliever or not.

So we need some other opinions, especially on point #1, to firm up how we
will handle this sort of thing, which is about to pop up and may very well
happen again.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] battles involving allied garrisons


>
> > 1.)  Does my garrison's participation in the battle involve GB in
> political
> > point losses or gains for the battle ?
> >
> > The heart of this question is, do all the allies involved in a field or
> > limited field battle receive/lose PPs, or just the ones with _corps_ in
> the
> > battle ?  My first impression is that if there are anyone's corps
involved
> > on both sides in the battle, then everyone with _factors_ involved, not
> just
> > corps, should be included in the PP losses or gains.  Be everyone might
> not
> > agree.
> >
>
>     I definitely disagree.  If you have no corps in the battle, then you
> have no effect on the political points that are up for grabs in the
battle.
> If you do not contribute a corps and are therefore not influencing the
> number of political points that could be gained or lost, I don't see how
you
> could claim political points if your side wins the battle.
>
> > 2.)  Would my garrison be allowed to participate in the relief battle if
I
> > did not have combined movement with the relievers ?
> >
>
>     My instinct is that you would not have to be combined with the
relievers
> to fight with them.  The rules allow that armies may attempt to reinforce
> each other even when the two forces have not combined movement, so I
assume
> that garrisons can assist a land battle even if the forces in question
have
> not combined movement.
>
> > Obviously, question #2 would not apply in the case of a depot garrison,
> > which could only be involved in a defensive battle, and so would
> definitely
> > be able to fight.
> >
>
>     I don't think a situation like this would ever come up for a depot
> garrison, because it will have either won its trivial combat, it will have
> lost and been destroyed, or it will have fallen back into a city in the
same
> area.  There would never be an occasion when there would be a relief
battle
> involving a depot garrison, as far as I can tell.
>
> kdh
>
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