RE: [eia] Prussian losses

["James Helle" <jhelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I feel the *best* way to resolve this is to stick to my original land
orders.  The Polish infantry will move to Warsaw and forage at a 3-.  I had
made the comment regarding Danny's mistake in supplying troops that we all
have access to the rules and that Spain should have to stick to his original
movements and accept his foraging penalties and I will hold myself to that
same principle.  Nobody has grounds to dispute this as this was my original
movement which took place *before* France's movement and *before* the battle
at Vilna was resolved so no unfair advantage, real or imagined, is gained by
me.

-----Original Message-----
From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
J.J. Young
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:03 PM
To: public list for an Empires in Arms game
Subject: Re: [eia] Prussian losses


Here's what I have to say on the matter; I understand Kyle's apprehension
about Jim's staying in Moscow after seeing France's land orders, but there
are lots of reasons for the Poland corps to stay in Berlin, rather than be
halfway between Warsaw and Berlin, once the error was discovered.  Most of
these reasons have nothing to do with declaring war on France next turn.  To
say that Prussia cannot declare war on France next turn for any reason, for
instance if Jim is called as an ally, seems to be going too far in the other
direction.

No offense, but it's too bad that the start of May has been delayed by
another day over something as small, and probably irrelevant, as this issue
seems to me.  With the result of the battle at Vilna, I would seriously
doubt that Prussia will take on another front.

Why don't we just say that if Prussia chooses to declare war on France in
his normal DOW escrow, then the Poland corps' movement in April will have to
have been towards Warsaw, either depot supplied 1 space west for an
additional $1, or force marched all the way to Warsaw.  As I said, I doubt
if it comes up anyway.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Prussian losses


> > >  Kyle has since indicated that if war were to break out between
> > >France and Prussia that he would dispute my moving back towards Berlin,
> > >since the move would have been *after* I had seen his land orders.  On
> the
> > >other hand, if I were to move them towards Warsaw at this point Mike
> could
> > >claim that I am reinforcing my army after learning the results of the
> > >battle.  I propose two possible solutions: 1) that I move the corps to
> Posen
> > >as this is halfway between both points or 2) that I move to Warsaw per
my
> > >original orders since this was my intention before any actions took
> place.
> >
> > I'm confused as to why there is even conflict on this?  Seemed pretty
> clear
> > to me.  You couldn't do what you said you wanted to do, so you didn't do
> > it.  I think that's a lot cleaner than trying to make halfway orders.
> >
>
>     It was indeed possible for the Polish infantry corps to move to
Warsaw.
> It would just have meant he would have had to make a forage roll (3-).
When
> I first spotted the error in his orders, I assumed that he would have to
> choose between force marching and rolling the forage or move one space shy
> of Warsaw while paying an additional cost.  Those seemed to be the natural
> choices to me.  He suggested that the corps remain in Berlin instead.  I
> have no problem with that as long as it is not a response to the French
> orders (which I was very careful to publish only after having seen the
> Prussian orders).  If Prussia declares war on France, then the Polish
> infantry's movement back to Berlin after being ordered to Warsaw seems
> suspicious to me.
>
>     Since Jim has decided to make this a public matter, I'll include the
> text of my original message to him below.
>
>     Jim,
>     In general, I have no objections to your moving the Poland infantry
> corps back to Berlin.  But I would have objections if you decide to attack
> France.  In April, I waited to post my orders until after your orders were
> posted.  But then after my orders were posted, you asked to move the
Poland
> corps back to Berlin.  Like I said, I have no problem with this unless you
> plan to attack France.  If you do, then it would be unfair to me to move
> your corps back to Berlin after you saw my orders.
>     Would you agree?
>
>     My position is that, if Prussia's intent is hostile, then the Poland
> corps should be forced to move in the direction that it was originally
sent.
> Jim ordered that corps to Warsaw but incorrectly claimed that it could be
> supplied by depot for $0.5.  If he cannot pledge that he won't attack
France
> this turn, my position is that he should choose between moving the corps
to
> Warsaw as indicated in his orders (foraging at 3- as the rules require) or
> moving the corps one space west of Warsaw and paying an extra $1.
>
> kdh
>
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