Re: [eia] corps-on-loan

I believe that the rules concerning limited access should apply to corps-on-loan also. In your email you state" So is the fact that by leaving the French corps on his extreme eastern border (as Jim seems prepared to do)". Rest assured, Kyle, that I am in no way attepting to strand your corps in a way that prevents or delays their getting home. Note that there are several corps in the area and I am trying to move them back in a way that provides each corps (even the French) good chances of foraging, since I see no reason to pay more for supply than absolutely necessary in a peacetime situation.

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From: Kyle H

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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:46 AM

Subject: Re: [eia] corps-on-loan

    I agree that repatriation is unrealistic. But so is the prospect that a French corps-on-loan might march all the way to Constantinople for no good reason. So is the fact that by leaving the French corps on his extreme eastern border (as Jim seems prepared to do), the Prussian king would be inviting a foreign army to ravage its people all the way home. ... So it's not as if one rule is "realistic" and the other is "unrealistic"; rather it's a matter of deciding which kind of unrealistic rule we prefer to abide by.

    Since no one has piped up in support of my suggestion, I'm willing to seek a compromise. What I most want to avoid are the following situations: Jim uses voluntary access agreements to march my corps-on-loan to Jerusalem. If Jim remained at war with Russia he could conceivably march my corps-on-loan to Saratov or Astrakhan.

    Before I suggest my (compromise) solution, let's recall that it's not as if this corps is a corps of mindless zombies. Obviously, they have enough free to stop fighting in the middle of a combat once they've lost half of their strength. That tells me that there are some lengths to which they will not go in the service of their temporary masters. On the other hand, I do not want to restrict the ability of the temporary master to use the corps as he wishes. After all, marching the French corps to Astrakhan could be a legitimate military mission - it is a provincial capital.

    So here's the compromise I suggest. At the moment the corps-on-loan reverts to its original owner's control it is repatriated to *its previous temporary master's territory*.

    In my case, this would mean that if the corps were in Astrakhan or Jerusalem in April of 1805, then it would be repatriated to *Prussia*. At this point, the corps would still have to march across Prussia to get home.

    The purpose of this rule would be to eliminate the ability of temporary controlling powers to abuse the rules and send the corps-on-loan to far-off lands for no reason. I know that there is a lot of resistance to the "oddity" (as Mike puts it) of a corps moving faster than it usually does. But what about the oddity of a French corps marching to Jerusalem for no apparent reason? Do you really think that the commanders of that corps would obey that command? Is that "realistic"?

    In any case, if I can't get automatic force repatriation, then I hope I can at least get repatriation to the previous controller's country. This rule would eliminate whatever incentive currently exists to abuse the rules and send corps-on-loan to far-off lands for no reason.

kdh

I was thinking bringing a corps on loan into your country would count as voluntary access so you could not refuse the corps the right to return home. Repatriation would stop someone from stranding the corps on a desert island though.

I think access works though on the basis that in a long game, you can probably get away with an abuse of that sort once and then you'd better never lose a war to the nation you did it to. The whole point of not doing instant repatriation was to avoid the oddity of having the troops move faster than it is possible to move troops under ideal conditions. Repatriation is inherently unrealistic as the troops can't go as fast as they might under it. If a country wants to get the other corps out, they can always dump it off near the border.