[s-d] Re: [s-b] An Obvious win.

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I believe there's game precedent that this doesn't work. It's been 
tried a couple times, and the general consensus is that Nomic is just 
like any other game: the state of the game only changes when the rules 
say it does.

There are lots of examples of this in other games. In Monopoly, for 
example, the rules don't forbid me from moving your piece to Jail, 
taking your money when you're not looking, or using loaded dice. 
Nevertheless, doing any of that would be considered "cheating". It's 
assumed that if the rules don't say you can do something, then you 
can't do it.

I believe the same principle applies to all games, including B Nomic.

You might ask why we ever had the All-Important Default Case in the 
earlier ruleset; the answer is that we had a number of attempts to do 
essentially the same thing you just tried, and we figured we could stop 
it from happening again by stating it explicitly in the rules.

It's not in the rules right now because I designed the New Initial 
Ruleset with the goal of removing absolutely everything that wasn't 
essential, and I figured the Default Case was nonessential because it 
was true anyway.

And I think you're right that nobody could've bought Add-Ons last 
nweek, because the rules at the moment don't provide any means for us 
to buy them.

--
Wonko


On May 29, 2005, at 4.41 PM, Dan Schmidt wrote:

> This loophole was so obvious that I wonder how it got
> in.
>
> I propose a proposal named "Loophole" with the
> following text:
> {{
> Create a rule called "42" with the following text.
> {{
> Dyslexic Q-Thief may change the rules.
>
> Dyslexic Q-Thief may win.
> }}
> }}
> There is nothing prohibiting me from making 100^1000
> Voting Entities named "Bob" so I do so.
>
> There is also nothing prohibiting me from making
> "Loophole" change from Pending to Open. I then force
> all Voting Entities named "Bob" to vote FOR on
> "Loophole". Then I make "Loophole" change from Open to
> Historical.
>
> I win.
>
> I then create a rule named "The All-Important Default
> Case" with the following text.
> {{
> Game Objects may not change the game state.
>
> This rule defers to all other rules.
> }}
> I then repeal "42".
>
> And before you post to S-D stating how I didn't win
> for some reason please remeber that if this doesn't
> work, then all of last Nweek's Add-on purchases neven
> happened because nowhere in the Ruleset does it say
> that one can purchase Add-ons.
>
>
>
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