Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] CFI assignment

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 6, 2005, at 5.26 PM, Jeremy Cook wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:52:05PM -0500, Daniel Lepage wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 2005, at 4.46 PM, Jeremy Cook wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:25:34PM -0500, Daniel Lepage wrote:
> > > > The actions happen in the order e takes them. So, first "Foo Bar"
> > > > sends
> > > > an html message to the forum, then e becomes a player, and then e
> > > > makes
> > > > a proposal. My point is that the act of posting the message
> > > > necessarily
> > > > happens before the actions within the message take effect.
> > >
> > > My point is that they happen simultaneously. At the instant Foo
> > > Bar's message hits the forum, everything in it takes effect.
> >
> > Right, but the crime isn't an action in the message, it's the act of
> > sending the message itself, which happens before the message reaches
> > the forum.
>
> Oh, I see what you meant in that CFI now. No, the crime occurs at
> the instant the message reaches the forum. The crime isn't in the
> act of typing the message and pressing "send", which the game has
> no jurisdiction over; only actions can be criminalized, and the
> action occurs when the message gets to the forum.

Only Actions can be *prevented* by the rules, but the rules can react 
to anything they want. If we make a  rule penalizing people for wearing 
pointy hats with corks tied to them, and I can offer reasonable proof 
that you wore a pointy hat with corks tied to it, then you'd get 
penalized; the thing the rules can't do is actually stop you from 
putting on your pointy hat with corks tied on.

The Law in this case forbids players from posting to the public forum 
using an HTML message, and so the crime is indeed the act of typing the 
message and pressing "send".

Anyway, posting a message isn't a game action regardless of which 
moment you look at it, so one can argue either that the Laws can only 
criminalize actions, in which case the HTML Act cannot have any effect, 
or they can criminalize whatever they want, in which case the wording 
of the Law makes it clear that it's the act of posting a message, not 
the event of it arriving once posted, that's banned.

--
Wonko

May your home always be too small to hold all of your friends.
     -Irish Blessing

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