Re: [spoon-discuss] so do we have a game or not?

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 16, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> > > We do have a game, or don't, depending on what Dave says next.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, SkArcher wrote:
> > >
> > > > if not I have some suggestions
> > >
> > > Hypothetical question: What would the initial ruleset look like if 
> > > it had
> > > been written entirely by Uin?
> >
> > having never played alongside uin, i have no idea. what was his major
> > bugbear on how the rules should work again?
> -Well, we're talking about someone who perpetually both wanted Rule 10 
> repealed and was declaring a SOE... I think the ruleset would probably 
> say something along the lines of "Any player may do anything they 
> want, as long as it is stupid," or whatever that line was.-

Uin actually had pretty good reasons for why r10 didn't need to be 
there, and I agree with them. As for SOE, nothing's really stupid about 
that. I think they're fun, and should happen more often. It's just 
another way of changing the rules.

I think Uin was primarily driven by a love of word games and of 
peculiar logical dilemmas... but I suppose I never fully understood 
anything e did. I do believe e was a longtime player in Radio Free 
Nomic (<http://www.houseofsin.net/rfn/>); here's an excerpt from their 
ruleset (B Nomic style delimiters added by editor ;) :

{{
Rule 605
__All the Madmen__

At the beginning of each calendar week the following steps are 
performed precisely once, in the order in which they appear:

1) The speaker randomly selects a rule which is numbered less than 
10000. This rule is called the Socket, but only for historical reasons.

2) The speaker randomly selects a paragraph within that rule.

3) The speaker randomly selects a sentence within that paragraph.

4) The speaker randomly selects a word within that sentence.

5) Immediately after the last letter of that word, the quoted string " 
fnord" is inserted into the rule.

The word "fnord" shall be assumed to have no meaning where it appears 
in the rules, until Transcendental Illumination is achieved by all 
players (in a rule-defined way), at which time it will be known to have 
no meaning.
}}

Here's another:
{{
Rule 710
__Passing the Mantle__

Any Functionary may, at any time, attempt to transfer any Position they 
hold to an other non-Vegetable player publicly stating that they are 
doing so, specifying which Position is involved. If the other player 
publicly accepts the transfer within 3 fnord days, the Position is 
transferred.

}}

Their ruleset was very interesting, in ways ours is not - we have basic 
equipment like proposals, CFIs, and appeals that serve only as a means 
of keeping this in line while we play the interesting parts of the 
game; their appeals system, for example, consisted of one player 
declaring that he was making a Drunken Posse and leading all 
non-members of the Supreme Court in an attempt to Lynch of the members 
of the Court.

Also consider their rules 10000 through Omega; on the ruleset page, it 
looks like this:
--------------------------------------------------
2000s - Stuff people numbered wrong, or not at all
--------------------------------------------------

Rule 2050
__Don't forget this is 1999__

This is rule number 2050, not 2055 or 8253.

--------------------------------------------------
An infinite number of rules, and then another one
--------------------------------------------------

Rule 10000
__Rule 10000__

This is rule 10000. It grants precedence to all other rules.

--------------------------------------------------
Note: There are an infinite number of rules above Rule 10000, each with 
identical text except the numbers are different. The highest numbered 
rule, however, is different:
--------------------------------------------------

Rule Omega
__Rule Omega__

Let N be the number of this rule.

Create a new rule, number N+1, with identical text to this rule, where 
all instances of N in this sentence are replaced with the appropriate 
value.

Amend this rule to have the following ### delimited text, where N is 
replaced by the appropriate value:
###
This is rule N. It grants precedence to all other rules.
###


That's what things might look like if Uin had written all the rules.

Oh, and they called them "proosals".

--
Wonko
Award Wonko a Win.
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