Re: [spoon-discuss] Response to SkArcher, spell it right guys

[Zarpint Jeremy Cook <mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx>]

The Admin during this SOE is Wonko. Eir exact words were:
"if nobody objects
to using bnomic-public as the emergency forum and having me be
emergency admin by midnight today UTC (six O'Clock on the 15th for
those in the states), we will assume that everyone agrees to it."

Rule 16: "The Administrator may designate a Forum private only if it is not the sole extant public Forum."

The other rules don't currently go hang during an SOE, actually. They couldn't,
since they define a Ballot, for instance. And nowhere in r0 does it state
that the other rules don't apply.

You're right: only the Admin (Wonko here) can designate a Forum. E did,
and it had to have been public.

> > By intervening time, I meant, e.g., declaring to join the game at time 0,
> > voting at time 1,
> > and the clock starting at time 2.
> >
> > Voting is affected by my status as a player.
>
> Your actions take place in the order they were recieved - I belive it has
> (just recently) been accepted that the recieved timestamp of elipsis.cx
> determines the order (see the recent disscussion caused in Go by Ians
> machine having a clock that is slower than mine)

The problem is rule 14, which says that one becomes a Player not when eir
action is received, but when e posts a message to a Public Forum. And at all
times, SOE or not, there needs to be at least one.

BTW-clock starts 7 PM tonight, actually.

Zarpint


Zarpint




On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, SkArcher wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:30:13 -0500, Zarpint Jeremy Cook
> <mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, SkArcher wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:50:44 -0500, Zarpint Jeremy Cook
> >> <mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Well, Bnomic-Public is a Forum. It is either Private or Public by rule
> >> > 16 (unless that rule is overruled by rule 0). Actions can only be
> >> taken
> >> > in a Public Forum, also by rule 16 (unless that is overruled by rule
> >> 0).
> >> >
> >> > So the options are:
> >> >
> >> > 1. It's Public (and I am a player)
> >> > 2. It's Private (and I am not)
> >> > 3. It's neither, because r0 overrules r16 saying that either 1 or 2 is
> >> > true.
> >> >
> >> > The only textual support I see for any of this is that some actions
> >> are
> >> > taken
> >> > in it, suggesting it is Public. Ideally we would want case 3, but I
> >> don't
> >> > see r0 saying that the Forum is Public, Private, or neither, so
> >> there's
> >> > no
> >> > conflict in that respect AFAIK.
> >> >
> >> > The best solution, I think:
> >> >
> >> > 1. I will be recognized when the Clock comes on, and it doesn't affect
> >> > the vote
> >> > either way right now.
> >>
> >> you won't be, as you will have made no declaration in a Public Fora. You
> >> need to post to spoon-business
> >
> > You didn't address my argument that the Emergency Forum is Public.
> > Anyway, I will redeclare to spoon-business. (And I wouldn't let 9.8
> > days go by without being officially recognized.) :)
> >
>
> I don't think it is. Only the Admin (dave) can recognise a public forum,
> and e must do so explicitly, which e has not. And even dave must abide by
> the rules, which state that the clock goes off when an SoE kicks in, after
> which point the rest of the ruleset can go hang as far as r0 is concerned
>
> > By intervening time, I meant, e.g., declaring to join the game at time 0,
> > voting at time 1,
> > and the clock starting at time 2.
> >
> > Voting is affected by my status as a player.
>
> Your actions take place in the order they were recieved - I belive it has
> (just recently) been accepted that the recieved timestamp of elipsis.cx
> determines the order (see the recent disscussion caused in Go by Ians
> machine having a clock that is slower than mine)
>
> >
> > R0 exists to allow the game to continue when it otherwise couldn't, like
> > the Admin being out of contact in this case.
>
> Agreed. But that doesn't make it a public forum. Hence why the r0
> explicitly states it is there in case of hosting troubles, among other
> things.
>
> SkArcher
>
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