Re: [spoon-discuss] Response to SkArcher, spell it right guys

[SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:30:13 -0500, Zarpint Jeremy Cook 
<mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, SkArcher wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:50:44 -0500, Zarpint Jeremy Cook
> > <mcfoufou@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, Bnomic-Public is a Forum. It is either Private or Public by rule
> > > 16 (unless that rule is overruled by rule 0). Actions can only be 
> > taken
> > > in a Public Forum, also by rule 16 (unless that is overruled by rule 
> > 0).
> > >
> > > So the options are:
> > >
> > > 1. It's Public (and I am a player)
> > > 2. It's Private (and I am not)
> > > 3. It's neither, because r0 overrules r16 saying that either 1 or 2 is
> > > true.
> > >
> > > The only textual support I see for any of this is that some actions 
> > are
> > > taken
> > > in it, suggesting it is Public. Ideally we would want case 3, but I 
> > don't
> > > see r0 saying that the Forum is Public, Private, or neither, so 
> > there's
> > > no
> > > conflict in that respect AFAIK.
> > >
> > > The best solution, I think:
> > >
> > > 1. I will be recognized when the Clock comes on, and it doesn't affect
> > > the vote
> > > either way right now.
> >
> > you won't be, as you will have made no declaration in a Public Fora. You
> > need to post to spoon-business
>
> You didn't address my argument that the Emergency Forum is Public.
> Anyway, I will redeclare to spoon-business. (And I wouldn't let 9.8
> days go by without being officially recognized.) :)

I don't think it is. Only the Admin (dave) can recognise a public forum, 
and e must do so explicitly, which e has not. And even dave must abide by 
the rules, which state that the clock goes off when an SoE kicks in, after 
which point the rest of the ruleset can go hang as far as r0 is concerned

> By intervening time, I meant, e.g., declaring to join the game at time 0,
> voting at time 1,
> and the clock starting at time 2.
>
> Voting is affected by my status as a player.

Your actions take place in the order they were recieved - I belive it has 
(just recently) been accepted that the recieved timestamp of elipsis.cx 
determines the order (see the recent disscussion caused in Go by Ians 
machine having a clock that is slower than mine)

> R0 exists to allow the game to continue when it otherwise couldn't, like
> the Admin being out of contact in this case.

Agreed. But that doesn't make it a public forum. Hence why the r0 
explicitly states it is there in case of hosting troubles, among other 
things.

SkArcher
 
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