Re: [spoon-discuss] Step one on the road to InterNomic II

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 11:13  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> > Because it takes no effort for them to stop us?
> >
> > You seem to think that we can force other Nomics to do what we want; 
> > you seem even to think that we can invade them at any time if we 
> > choose. But we can't. They don't need us nor our rules; if we bother 
> > them, they can choose to ignore us. And there's nothing we can do 
> > about it. For us to declare war on a nomic would be like a Magic 
> > player casting a Lightning Bolt at a player in a nearby game of chess 
> > - the chess player doesn't care about the bolt, she just ignores it, 
> > and the Bolter can't do a thing about it. Likewise, if we declare 
> > that our invading armies trample another Nomic's rules and beat them 
> > into the ground, they can simply ignore us, as we are not a part of 
> > their gamestate unless they allow us to be.
> >
> > If internomic trading is to occur, it must be something beneficial to 
> > all Nomics involved; if they don't like it, they don't have to play.
>
> -The Nomic Wiki has the records of two inter-nomic wars already. 
> Neither needed Ambassadors. Agora simply trampled two Nomics which 
> pissed it off. I mean, really. A war like you describe is like two 
> children shooting imaginary guns at each other. "Bang!" "You missed!" 
> I'm talking about an all-out grapple to the death.-

The first of these 'wars' happened because Rishonomic allowed 
references to Agora in its rules; we could not take similar action 
against another Nomic

> > > ErgoNomic (I think - hard to tell)
> >
> > Definitely active. And high-tech. They're the ones with a sourceforge 
> > site for their Nomic engine.
> -Their website doesn't make looking around easy unless you want to 
> join.-

Although they're active, one of their players tells me that their 
ruleset is somewhat strange, and may not be compatible with objects we 
define.

I logged in as a guest and couldn't find any concrete ruleset anywhere; 
I know they started with a pure-nomic, or some basic variant thereof; 
but I'm not sure it's really a Nomic anymore.

They are interested in some sort of more standardized game, such as, 
say, a massive game of Risk or Diplomacy, with Nomics being the various 
'nations' of the world.

> > > Nomicron (active but slow... they welcome new players, though - 8 
> > > new ones in March)
> > > Pustic (might be active, but the web site is down at the moment)
> >
> > NomiPo and Pustic both look like they never really got started... I 
> > think we can dismiss them.
> -Who's NomiPo?-

Looks like a relative of Pustic that never got around to starting.

> > > So, that's between 5 and 10 other Nomics on Nomic Wiki alone. I'm 
> > > sure there are more out there, we just have to find them.-
> >
> > FRC is open... though I'm not sure what we could possibly offer them 
> > that would fit in with eir ruleset...
> -I don't know what we can offer anyone. But someone might really, 
> really want Big Rocks. Don't ask them why, just sell them the stones.-

The problem with something like the FRC is that objects in general 
serve no purpose, as they tend to have brief rounds, after which the 
rules get completely rewritten.

--
Wonko

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