Glotmorf on 4 Dec 2002 02:32:03 -0000


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Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] This should do it


On 12/3/02 at 7:47 PM Rob Speer wrote:

>On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 06:03:13PM -0500, bd wrote:
>> On Tuesday 03 December 2002 04:46 pm, Rob Speer wrote:
>>
>> > [[ I'm not adding a rule that conflicts with 1219, just modifying one
>so
>> > it does. 1219 doesn't claim to take precedence over anything, so its
>> > high Chutzpah doesn't stand in the way of Rule 10. ]]
>>
>> > [[ I know that Glotmorf can just smack down this proposal. I will
>> > rescind it if Glotmorf himself voluntarily gets off his high horse and
>> > gets rid of 1219 the easy way. ]]
>
>> You forget - he can just go and fix r1219 to prevent this.
>
>Or he could abolish the existence of the proposal. Or he could turn me
>into a Toad. Or whatever.
>
>I'm riding on faith that Glotmorf is not actually a megalomaniac, he
>just can't be bothered to step down himself.

Your faith is good.  I'm not a megalomaniac...at least in the sense you mean.  I admit, it's cool to say "I rule!" on my blog and be able to back it up...:)

But fixing the legacy units could have been done through petitioning myself as Overlord, and since I can be voted out as Overlord if people think it's necessary I consider that sufficiently un-non-consentual.

At this point, this is an exercise in...who was it that presented the challenge?  To create a truly immutable rule?

But your proposal doesn't work.  R1219 says it can't be changed or repealed except by me, whereas you're changing R10 to say R1219 can be repealed by a proposal.  That creates a direct conflict between R1219 and R10, which means the Chutzpah kicks in and R1219 takes priority, no matter which way the ID numbers go.  And R1219 prevents the proposal from repealing it.

The rule change the proposal makes, at least, is legal.  It just doesn't work.

						Glotmorf

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