Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] The Daily Recognizer (Tuesday morning)

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> On 7/2/02 at 9:42 PM Wonko wrote:
> 
>> Quoth David E. Smith,
>> 
>>> My official ruling on "The Junior G-Men" is essentially what I posted on
>>> the -discuss list, until CFI'd otherwise. (The relevant CFI is 828,
>>> assigned to Rob.) So far as I'm concerned, the society never existed, as
>>> it never had any members.
>>> 
>>> The same applies to "Team Wonko" (provisionally given Charter 830, and
>> its
>>> pseudo-proposal 831).
>>> 
>> I submit that neither the G-Men [[Yes, I caught the three-way pun. I hate
>> puns.]], the Pay-bd-Men, nor Team Wonko exist:
>> 
>> 
>> "G.2. Creating a Society by a Player Action
>> 
>> A Player may, no more than once per nweek, in the first five ndays of an
>> nweek, declare a Society by stating eir intent to do so, along with the
>> Society's Charter.
>> 
>> The Charter must include a list of the Society's initial Members. Players
>> in
>> the list other than the Player declaring the Society must state their
>> acceptance of membership into the Society in the same nweek as the
>> declaration, or will be dropped from the list of initial Members.
>> 
>> If, at the end of the nweek in which the Society was declared, a proposal
>> that nweek has barred it from existing, or the Society would have no
>> Members, the Charter is discarded and the Society does not exist."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Something is missing from the above quote [[from Rule 578/5 : Societies]]
>> 
>> What's missing is the part where the society gets made.
>> 
>> In other words, while we can declare societies, they will never actually be
>> created.
>> 
>> So none of the player-action societies ever will exist.
> 
> In that case, our votes, grid movements and gremlin-related actions don't
> exist either, since all we do is declare them on the business forum.  Hell,
> nothing we do in the game exists, since we're not taking actual, physical,
> real-world action except for declaring our actions on the public forum.  In
> that context, our game actions have all the validity of the calvinball crap.
> 
> Yer nitpicking, guy.

The difference is that the rules permit us to vote, make grid movements,
etc. The rule quoted above only permits us to 'declare societies'. It does
not equate declaring a society with creating a society - in fact, the later
wording of the rule implies that declaring a society often will not create
it. Creating a Society by a non-proposal action, therefore, is banned by the
default case, and by the regulation clause, as the creating of societies is
definitely regulated by the above quoted rule.

-- 
Wonko

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