Doig, Gavin on 10 Jan 2002 14:56:33 -0000


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RE: spoon-discuss: Re: Revision of 236


> Doesn't this go against your previous argument that CFJ rulings should
> be a statement of game custom *at a point in time* and not applicable in
> perpetuity thereafter? 
>
No, that's not what I mean at all. What I mean is that if the rules say "A
is a thingy", and we rule that that means the statement "A is > 3" is
undecided, then at a later time if the rules say "A is 2. B is a thingy."
the precedent would apply to "B is > 3" being undecided, even though "A is >
3" would no longer be undecided at that later point in time.

> A Refused or Undecided CFJ becomes judicial
> precedent anyway, by being archived regardless of the decision.  But
> only a True or False ruling represents a clear decision by the judge on
> how the rules are guiding game custom at a point in time.  
>
I'd say that ruling something undecided is a clear decision that game custom
is saying we can't determine what the rules are saying, and ruling refused
is a clear decision that it's not a valid subject for a CFJ.

> Just because something can't be decided now doesn't mean the rules won't
> make it possible to decide later.
>
Just so. But the circumstances that made it undecidable might apply to
something else.

uin.


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