Re: [s-b] Consultations on the Pencil Sharpener

["Jamie Dallaire" <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Craig Daniel <teucer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Jamie Dallaire
> <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Craig Daniel <teucer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Ed Murphy <emurphy42@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> >      - teucer's macks were set to m100 by ais523's Refresh Proposal
> >> >      - teucer purchased a rapier (m75)
> >>
> >> Under this interpretation I had already given m30 to ehird, and
> >> destroyed m30 to color a square, so I can't have gotten the rapier.
> >>
> >> >    so teucer had m15 when this consultation was submitted (and I
> >> >    believe e still has m15 now).
> >>
> >> I have never had less than m40 under this interpretation of events,
> >> and am at m50 now.
> >>
> >> Oh, by the way: I find comex's answer on 162 CONSISTENT.
> >
> > Bah. My brain is too much jelly to figure out how much mack you've got
> now.
>
> Depending on the answers to various Consultations, it is either 18Kish or
> 50.
>
> Prompted by ehird, I submit the following Consultations:
>
> {Question: Are the answers to Pondered Consultations correct, after
> the Consultations become Pondered?
> Unbeliever: ehird
> Arguments: if not, then what the fuck is the point of Consultations?
> Also, if not, then lots of PDs have been treated as correct because
> they reflected game reality as described by Pondered Consultations,
> possibly without actually doing so; these having not been ratified,
> there have been unfulfilled ministerial obligations at various points
> and we're probably in some sort of clock crisis.}

This is Consultation 168.

>
> {Question: Do the answers to Pondered Consultations become correct
> when the Consultations become Pondered?
> Unbeliever: ehird
> Arguments: Assuming the above to be found TRUE, as it should be (IMO),
> either they become correct when Pondered or they are understood to
> have always been correct. Since we have the power to find Inconsistent
> those Consultations that don't plausibly reflect pre-Consultation game
> reality, I'm inclined to think the answer is No - their truth value
> does not change as a result of being Pondered; they're just the final
> word on what was or was not already the case.}

This is Consultation 169.

>
> {Question: Do Pondered Consultations create precedents that affect how
> to accurately judge other Consultations?
> Unbeliever: ehird
> Arguments: if Pondered Consultations have truthful Answers per the
> Arguments above, then those Answers must be taken into account by
> subsequent Consultations or the result of the gamestate is
> paradoxical. A No answer here is obviously Inconsistent if the Answers
> to Pondered Consultations are true, by the way, but obviously correct
> if the answers to the above two Consultations are both No. If a Yes
> answer becomes Pondered (the outcome I believe should be the case),
> I'm going to make a habit of including relevant precedents in
> Consultations I submit - and whenever anybody else does so I will find
> Inconsistent any answer that ignores them all.}

This is Consultation 170.

>
>
> I challenge the Oracle's public display.


Acknowledged. I've been lagging. I plan to update it fully tomorrow evening.
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