Jonathan Van Matre on 9 Jan 2002 18:18:53 -0000


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spoon-business: Another Revision of 236


Title: RE: spoon-business: Revision of 236
Point taken, uin.  I forgot about that one.
 
Herewith, another revision:
 
Proposal 236/4
(Author: Scoff!)
My Gavel Up Your Ass
 
Create a rule as follows:
 
{{
_No Judicial Kickbacks_
 
At the time this proposal is enacted, if there exists a game entity known as Mike Judge, the Administrator shall replace all instances of the quote-delimited phrase "Mike Judge" in this rule with a uniquely identifying name provided by the player Scoff! If the Administrator believes the new name would substantially alter the effect of this rule in ways other than changing the name of the entity created, the Administrator may select a name of eir own choosing.  Finally, this paragraph will delete itself from this rule.
 
There exists an entity known as Mike Judge.  Mike Judge is a non-player entity.
 
No Call For Judgement may know the identity of the player judging it. Any Call For Judgement which attempts to identify the player judging it will see that identity as Mike Judge. Any Call For Judgement which rewards or penalizes the player judging it will dispense those rewards or penalties to Mike Judge. The judge assigned to the ruling shall remain the player assigned by the Administrator.
 
No Call For Judgement (hereafter referred to as CFJ) may know how the judge of that CFJ ruled. Any CFJ that attempts to determine how its judge ruled will see that ruling as "My gavel up your ass. Huh-huh. I said 'Ass'." The actual ruling on the CFJ shall remain the ruling given by the player assigned to judge it.
 
No Call For Judgement may include a statement which refers specifically to the judge assigned to judge that CFJ, or the judge specifically assigned to judge any other specific CFJ (where specific CFJ means any qualification that could refer only to one CFJ. In other words, the CFJ need not be referenced by serial number, as long as a unique specification is given).
 
Any CFJ statement which refers specifically to the judge assigned to judge that CFJ, or the judge specifically assigned to judge any other specific CFJ, must be judged "Refused" or "Undecided", else the ruling judge will be added permanently to the List of Misbehaving Judges, and may not be removed from the List of Misbehaving Judges except in the event of a Win. This rule supersedes rule 209.
 
At the time of the passage of this proposal, any CFJ judged in the past 10 ndays that referred specifically to the judge assigned to judge that CFJ, or the judge specifically assigned to judge any other specific CFJ, will have its ruling summarily changed to REFUSED. This paragraph will then delete itself from this rule.
}}
 
Then modify Rule 128/2, replacing the text
{{A Judge's decision shall have the force of law.}}
 
with the following text:
 
{{
Judges may revise their ruling within one nday of the first posting of that ruling in a public forum, after which time all rulings are final (except where revision is explicitly permitted by the rules).  Eir revised rulings are created as a new revision of the CFJ object with the new ruling applied.
 
Calls For Judgement are intended to guide interpretation of the ruleset.  All judgements must be in accordance with the rules in effect at the time of judgement.   Where the interpretation of the rules is unclear, or the rules are silent or inconsistent concerning the issue being judged, judges may consider judicial precedent, prior game custom, common sense, the spirit of the game, and the best interests of the game.
 
CFJ Statements do not have the force of law.  CFJ Statements whose most recent revisions are ruled "True" or "False" are regarded, with their associated rulings, as explicit statements of current game custom at the time of the ruling.  At no time does a CFJ Statement, even when ruled "True", become or create a rule.  Rulings of "Undecided" or "Refused" and their associated statements have no force of law or custom.  Only the most recent revision number of a CFJ statement is a potential statement of game custom.
 
The judge's analysis and any other text apart from the ruling itself shall have neither force of law nor authority as statements of game custom, but will be archived by the administrator as a reference to judicial precedent for future judges.
 
In any event of conflict between the rules and a CFJ statement, the rules shall in all circumstances supersede a CFJ statement, including CFJ statements which directly claim to supersede this or any other rule. All rules supersede all CFJ statements, regardless of their respective serial numbers. 
 
CFJs must not directly create, alter, or remove rules.  CFJs may not directly protect rules from alteration or removal from the ruleset.  However, the indirect effect of the ruling on a CFJ may require alterations to the rule set or game state, to bring them in accordance with the judgement.
}}
 
Then add a rule:
 
_Judicial Rear View_
 
{{
At any time within 7 ndays following the posting of a Judgement of "True" or "False" on a CFJ, any player may propose that the Judgement be overruled by posting an Appeal to Overturn in a public forum.  If limitations on the number of proposals per nweek are in effect, Appeals to Overturn will not count against a player's proposal limit.  The Appeal to Overturn will be placed on the next available ballot as a proposal.  If the proposal is adopted, the ruling on the CFJ will be changed to "Undecided" by creating a new revision of the CFJ with the "Undecided" ruling.
}}
-----Original Message-----
From: Doig, Gavin [mailto:GDoig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:36 AM
To: spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: spoon-business: Null

I change my name to "Uncle Psychosis". Indeed. (I don't imagine this will require any more work for the admin, assuming he doesn't apply the previous change before he sees this one).

uin.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Doig, Gavin [mailto:GDoig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 11:56 AM
To: spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: spoon-discuss: RE: spoon-business: Revision of 236

> _Judicial Rear View_
 
I think this would establish the (potentially somewhat dangerous, as has been pointed out) precedent that CFJs remain true until reviewed. I'd be much happier with simply adding something along the lines of "A CFJ shall be judged based upon whether its statement was true at the time it was submitted.", instead of the whole review process (except for appeals, which are a Good Thing).

uin.


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