Re: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon

["James Helle" <jhelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think Nate summed it up perfectly.  The rules don't say specifically
whether or not other major powers get the bonus PP.  My vote is that they do
gain the PP bonus.  While I agree that this may not seem logical, I think
the rules allow for it, because in this case Turkey is a "victor"( and that
is all that is required), and the less we stray from the rules as written
the less confusion there will be throughout the game.  So, yes, the PP bonus
(and penalties, too!) should go to all participants of a battle.
JRH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Ellefson" <nellefson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'public list for an Empires in Arms game'" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: RE: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon


> How to put this: I think the rule that Joel cited is the controlling
> one, so I'd have to vote that Turkey does get 2PP.  That being said, I
> don't think it *should* be that way...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of J.J. Young
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:45 PM
> > To: public list for an Empires in Arms game
> > Subject: Re: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon
> >
> >
> > Uh, is there any reason why we can't move on with the naval
> > phase while this issue is under discussion ?  Once the
> > Spanish I fleet retreats and is possibly pursued, and a
> > leader casualty check is made for Nelson, the Coalition naval
> > phases will be complete.
> >
> > At this point, J.J. and Joel seem to favor giving allies
> > commanded by Nelson/Napoleon the appropriate PP bonus or
> > penalty, while Danny, Kyle, and Mike seem opposed.  Hearing
> > from Jim and Nate will most likely settle the matter.  Then
> > we'll know whether Turkey got +2 PP from the battle or just +1 PP.
> >
> > -JJY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon
> >
> >
> > > Thus spake "Kyle H":
> > > >     My view is *not* that the Nelson/Napoleon bonus goes
> > to whoever
> > > > has
> > the
> > > > most fleets/corps.  My view is that the Nelson/Napoleon
> > bonus goes
> > > > to GB/France *only*.
> > > >     So in the case that Mike describes, with one British fleet and
> > multiple
> > > > Spanish/Russian fleets under the command of Nelson, the
> > Spanish and
> > Russians
> > > > would earn PPs normally while GB would get 1 PP + the
> > Nelson bonus.
> > > >     The fundamental issue for me is that it makes no
> > sense that the
> > success
> > > > of a British commander would have any effect on Turkish
> > politics.
> > > > The success or failure of a British commander held in high esteem
> > > > (i.e.
> > Nelson)
> > > > has an effect on *British* politics.  The success or failure of a
> > > > French commander held in high esteem (i.e. Napoleon) has
> > an effect
> > > > on *French* politics.  I don't see any good reason why it would
> > > > affect anyone else.
> > > >
> > > > kdh
> > >
> > > That's exactly the point on which we disagree. Nelson and Napoleon
> > > were
> > the
> > > foremost naval and land commanders of their time; they have quite a
> > > reputation. If your fleet or army was commanded by one of them, why
> > > wouldn't people in your government find that (dis)heartening in the
> > > event that they lead you to victory (defeat)?
> > >
> > > Can't you imagine someone in the the Turkish government concluding
> > > after a naval defeat that if they can't win with Nelson at
> > the helm,
> > > then they simply can't win at all? Or the opposite, in the
> > case of a
> > > victory?
> > >
> > > --
> > > J.
> > >
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