Re: [eia] errata issues

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, when I said I was OK with forcible acces through minor countries,
I was refering to neutral minors, forgetting that you can move forces
through those, anyway.  I was not thinking of moving through a major power's
territory as being significantly different than moving through that power's
controlled minors, and I still don't.

So my vote regarding forcible access is "no".  Sorry about the confusion.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:12 PM
Subject: [eia] errata issues


>      I do not have strong feelings about either of these new errata rules.
> Since JJ and Joel are opposed to Overwhelming Numbers, I'll join them and
> vote no as well.  I'm with JJ when he says that Forcible Access through a
> Major Power's home territory seems inappropriate.  However, I am in favor
of
> Forcible Access through controlled minors.  So I think JJ and I agree on
> that one.  I also agree with JJ that we should scrap 12.8 (the requirement
> that two major powers must be allies before they can grant voluntary
> access).
>     So it seems that JJ and I are in complete agreement on these issues.
> However, at this point, I'm not sure it would be fair to go back and
change
> things with regard to British forces in Spain and Spanish forces in
> Gibralter (especially after having seen JJ's crappy rolls).  But I'll stay
> out of it and see if JJ and Danny can reach a mutual agreement on their
own.
> If they both agree on a way to handle the situation, then who am I to
> second-guess?
>
> kdh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] errata rules
>
>
> > Thus spake "Kyle H":
> > [snip]
> > >
> > >     The second new rule is called "Overwhelming Numbers" and it reads
as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 12.3.10 [A]: OVERWHELMING NUMBERS: Field or limited field combats
where
> one
> > > side has a 5:1 or better ratio in strength factors _must_ be resolved
> using
> > > trivial combat.  EXCEPTION: An outnumbered _defender_ may attempt to
> > > withdraw
> > > before the trivial combat by rolling the commander's strategic rating
or
> > > less.
> > >
> > > Again, I'm not sure whether we should go with either of these rules.
> All
> > > the rest of the errata rules, I'm happy to treat as official.
However,
> I
> > > think Forcible Access and Overwhelming Numbers should be debated prior
> to
> > > being accepted as official.  (If it makes any difference, the writers
of
> > > these errata place Overwhelming Numbers in chapter 12, making it an
> optional
> > > rule.  But they place Forcible Access in chapter 10, making it a core
> > > miscellaneous rule.)
> > >
> > > Go Buckeyes, beat Michigan!
> > >
> > > kdh
> >
> > One effect that Overwhelming Numbers would have is to increase
casualties
> > for the larger side. Trivial combats are resolved on the 5-2 table,
which
> > is better than the tables that most rounds of normal battles are
resolved
> > on. I haven't been able to think of a reason why being dramatically
> > outnumbered should make your men that much more effective.
> >
> > On the other hand, it does make sense to me that a very small force
would
> > be able to slip away prior to combat. However, this would be moot in
most
> > circumstances, as a force outnumbered 5:1 would be likely to be wiped
out
> > in pursuit. And the defender has a chance to withdraw in a normal battle
> > anyway.
> >
> > So I'm voting against Overwhelming Numbers.
> >
> > I'm not sure what I think about Forcible Access yet.
> >
> > --
> > J.
> >
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