Re: [eia] Sea Supply

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>]

    I think I see what you are saying.  Joel's email threw me a bit because
I thought he was saying that the fleet would have to be in one port or the
other.  But now that I look back at it, I don't think that's what he was
trying to say at all.

Ok, I think I understand now.

kdh

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply


> I would say that the fleet in Barcelona would connect Stockholm to
> Barcelona, and that same fleet in Barcelona connects Barcelona to Naples.
> So the reinforcement could take place.  There's nothing that says
> reinforcement through sea supply can be done only in one step.  I see no
> difference between this and a regular chain of 3 depots on land.
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
>
>
> >     Let me make sure I understand.  Joel says that Danny would need to
> have
> > a fleet either in a Swedish port or in the port at Naples in order to
> > receive reinforcements.  This is due to the language in 7.4.3.1 that
says
> > the fleet has to be in a port which is a supply source.  Since both
ports
> > are supply sources, the wording is satisfied.  I think I get that much.
> >     But let me try out a hypothetical.  Suppose Spain had a fleet at
> > Barcelona and depots at Barcelona, Naples, and Stockholm.  Am I correct
in
> > thinking that in that case, the rules would not be satisfied?  (Because
> > neither the port in Sweden nor the port at Naples contains a fleet, the
> two
> > ports are not connected via sea supply.  Hence, no reinforcements could
> > arrive.)
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > kdh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
> >
> >
> > > What Joel has said here is exactly what I was thinking, and my
reasoning
> > for
> > > giving Danny the advice that I did.  Any dissenters ?
> > >
> > > -JJY
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eia] Sea Supply
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thus spake Danny Mount:
> > > > > Hi everyone.  Recently I've been trying to interpret the sea
supply
> > > > > rules in 7.4.3.1, particularly as they apply to reinforcing a
minor
> > > country
> > > > > corps.  7.4.3.1 says, "In order to trace supply across sea areas
> there
> > > must
> > > > > be on of a major power's depots in each of the two friendly
> controlled
> > > ports
> > > > > or port areas between which supply is to be traced.  At least one
of
> > > these
> > > > > ports must contain a fleet(s) of the major power and/or an ally
and
> > that
> > > > > port must be a supply source or be able to trace a valid supply
> chain
> > > via
> > > > > depots to a supply source."  This is the rule that we recently
> > > discovered
> > > > > that we had been applying incorrectly.  What we discovered was
that
> a
> > > fleet
> > > > > must be in the port which is the supply source, not just any port.
> > > > >
> > > > >     Keeping this rule in mind, I am wondering what has to happen
in
> > > order to
> > > > > receive Swedish reinforcements directly in my Swedish corps (which
> are
> > > > > currently in Naples).  The relevant rule for this is 5.2.2.2.3.3
> which
> > > > > states, "Minor free states may receive their factors in the same
way
> > > [i.e.,
> > > > > by being on or next to a depot in a valid supply chain], but *must
> > trace
> > > a
> > > > > supply line (of their controlling major power) back to a supply
> source
> > > in
> > > > > their minor country*."  This last line has me wondering whether
the
> > > depot in
> > > > > Sweden would have to have a fleet with it in order for my Swedish
> > corps
> > > to
> > > > > receive reinforcements.
> > > > >
> > > > >     I have asked JJ about this, and he thinks that the Swedish
port
> > does
> > > > > *not* need to have a fleet in it to satisfy these rules.  He
> believes
> > > that
> > > > > the supply source for the purpose of sea supply could be in Spain
> > while
> > > the
> > > > > supply source in Sweden is just another depot in the chain.  I am
> > happy
> > > with
> > > > > that interpretation, but I just want to make sure that everyone
else
> > > sees
> > > > > the rules the same way.  Basically, I just want to make sure that
no
> > one
> > > is
> > > > > going to tell me later on that I can't do what I thought I could
do.
> > So
> > > if
> > > > > anyone sees these rules differently (and believes that I *would*
> need
> > a
> > > > > fleet in a Swedish port in order to receive reinforcements),
please
> > > speak
> > > > > now or forever hold your peace.
> > > > >
> > > > > Danny
> > > >
> > > > If you have depots in Stockholm and Naples, and a fleet in either
> place
> > > > then I think you've met the requirements set out by 5.2.2.2.3.1,
> > > > 5.2.2.2.2.3.2, and 7.4.3.1. Here's why: 7.4.3.1 requires the fleet
> used
> > > > for sea supply to be in a port that can draw supply itself. When
using
> > sea
> > > > supply for the purpose of supplying corps, it will generally be the
> case
> > > > that supply is flowing in one direction only---toward the corps
being
> > > > supplied---and the fleet has to be in the source port rather than
the
> > > > destination. In your situation, however, both ports are already
supply
> > > > sources for you, so it makes no difference which of the two ports
your
> > > > fleet is in.
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