Re: [eia] casualty assignments + issues regarding New PoliticalCombos

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

    JJ's solution is fine by me as long as we apply it consistently (which
he seems prepared to do).

kdh

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [eia] casualty assignments + issues regarding New
PoliticalCombos


> 2.)  I think that if a player is able to create a new political
combination,
> this is worthy of more benefit than just the +1 or +2 PP you get; so I
say,
> let the garrisons stand, as long as the marker for the political
combination
> remains on the board.
>
> 1.)  So yes, I think that in terms of nationality, all the components of a
> political combination belong to the same country.  After all, new
garrisons
> which are placed after the combination's formation have no "nationality"
> other than this.
>
> Back to 2.)
> But what happens if the conditions are met for the political combination
to
> disappear (its marker is removed from the map) ?  This happens only when
the
> last component with a corps is conquered or ceded.  So it seems simple to
> say that when the political combination no longer exists, all of its
> garrisons, everywhere, are removed at that time.
>
> So in the example of the Kingdom of Westphalia, any of its garrisons
outside
> Hesse are considered Hanoverian (2 morale).  If Hanover was conquered but
> Hesse remains (and so the KoW remains), then any garrisons in, say,
> Magdeburg would still remain.  But if both Hesse and Hanover are lost, the
> KoW disappears, along with all of its garrison factors, in Magdeburg or
> elsewhere, even in places still under the KoW founder's control.
>
> That's how I think we should handle it.  But it's not a point clearly
> defined in the rules, and I could certainly understand someone seeing the
> issue a different way.
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:37 AM
> Subject: [eia] casualty assignments + issues regarding New Political
Combos
>
>
> >     According to the Proportional Land Losses rule (12.3.6), 6 of the
> > Spanish side's casualties must be Swedish and the remaining 6 must be
> > Spanish.  Danny, when you have assigned these losses, please update us
> > regarding the current strengths of the 2 Swedish corps at Damietta.
> >     I would have thought that 2 of the Turkish side's 8 casualties must
be
> > Syrian, 2 must be Egyptian, and 4 must be Turkish.  This would have left
> the
> > Syrian corps at 4 inf/ 4 cav and the Egyptian corps at 8 inf/ 4 cav.
But
> > apparently Joel is thinking that the Ottoman Empire is one "nation" now,
> so
> > there is no difference between Syria and Egypt.  Hence, he can choose to
> > assign all of the Ottoman casualties to Egypt.
> >     I'm not sure what to think about this.  Maybe Joel's is the right
> > approach.  But this brings up a couple thorny questions about how to
treat
> > New Political Combinations.  I think it would be best to resolve these
> > questions sooner rather than later.
> >
> >     ISSUE #1:  nationality.  (This is the issue discussed above.)  Do
> > different minor countries which are components of a New Political
> > Combination count as separate nationalities for the purpose of
> proportional
> > losses?
> >
> >     ISSUE #2:  garrisons.  Recently, the I Egypt corps left a number of
> > small garrisons in the Balkans, and the Syria corps left 2 garrisons in
> the
> > Caucasus region.  Are those Egyptian and Syrian garrisons respectively,
or
> > are they all Ottoman garrisons?  Here's why it would matter.  If they
are
> > Egyptian and Syrian garrisons, then they would disappear if Egypt and/or
> > Syria were to be conquered.  For the purposes of argument, suppose Spain
> > captures Egypt.  Would those Balkan garrisons survive?
> >     Here's a related hypothetical.  Suppose France creates the
> Confederation
> > of the Rhine.  France begins placing garrisons in all of the German
states
> > that do not have corps.  Later on, Hanover is captured by the British.
Do
> > all of the garrisons that were placed in Germany disappear (because the
> > garrisons are Hanoverian)?  Or do they remain because although the
> garrisons
> > are produced *as if* they were Hanoverian (i.e. with a morale of 2),
they
> > are actually "Confederation of the Rhine" garrisons?
> >
> >     I don't really care which option we go with for either issue.  I
just
> > want to make sure that everyone knows what rules we are using and that
> those
> > rules are applied consistently.
> >
> > kdh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:30 AM
> > Subject: [eia] Third Battle of Damietta, February 1807
> >
> >
> > > 1. Spain: 10% * 48 = 5 casualties, -1.1 morale
> > >    Turkey: 5% * 29 = 2 casualties, -0.4 morale
> > >
> > > 2. Spain: 10% * 46 = 5 casualties, -1.1 morale
> > >    Turkey: 15% * 24 = 4 casualties, -1.6 morale
> > >
> > > 3. Spain: 5% * 42 = 2 casualties, -0.4 morale
> > >    Turkey: 10% *19 = 2 casualties, -1.6 morale
> > >
> > > Turkey breaks.
> > >
> > > Pursuit: Three rounds, -2.6 morale is a pursuit class of 2. A roll of
2
> at
> > > class 2 has no effect.
> > >
> > > Total casualties: 12 for Spain, 8 including 1 cavalry for Turkey.
> > >
> > > +3 PP for Spain, -3 PP for Turkey.
> > >
> > > II Egypt is now 6I, 4C.
> > >
> > > --
> > > J.
> > >
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