[eia] a try for a simple solution to 12.4

[jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx]

In order to make garrison retrieval simple and possible, without causing a lot 
of other unwanted consequences, why not give each garrison in formerly-enemy 
territory an "honors of war" at the time peace is made ?  This may bring the 
garrison all the way back home, or it may bring them to a formerly-enemy city 
which is occupied by a friendly corps.  This corps can then pick up the 
garrison, or split off another corps marker to take them in.  Very simple.

I would suggest restricting the honors of war given to garrisons to moving to 
friendly cities or cities with friendly corps only, to avoid situations where a 
garrison would be stranded if the closest corps is of an ally, with no friendly 
corps present.

This done, the rule for corps movement becomes:  a corps in formerly-enemy 
territory can only move so as to end its move closer to friendly or allied 
territory, or closer to the nearest port for evacuation.

-JJY







Quoting Joel Uckelman <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Thus spake "Everett E. Proctor":
> > I also think that we should interpret victory condition B.7. such that a
> prov
> > ince adjacent to the victor's territory must be chosen, and if none
> > exist, only then a territory that contains a victors corp may be chosen.
> > This way, if it is a possibility to have a corp isolated this way, the
> > victor would know that before hand, and it would be part of the
> > consequence that he would have to consider and live with when choosing
> > that condition.
> > 
> > I would be in favor of something much simpler than what this is growing
> > into.  Something like:
> > 
> > -Garrison forces are repatriated immediately (much like the Honors of
> > War teleportation) 
> > 
> > - No new Corp can enter the opponent's territories.
> > 
> > - Corps and other units (Cossack, freicorp, etc.) currently in the
> > opponent's territory must move each turn so that their closest point of
> > exit is closer than their closest point of exit was previously.
> > 
> > -Everett
> 
> It now strikes me that most of the complexity here is due to having to 
> accommodate garrison retrieval. I doubt that a real garrison, once it 
> received word that the war was over, would have waited for its parent 
> formation to pick it up. Instead, it would have received orders to meet 
> with the parent formation someplace and set out marching home.
> 
> Marching home should take some time, so I don't like the idea of 
> teleporting them directly to a friendly city. Instead, we could do this:
> 
> 1. At the time peace is made, garrisons in the territory of a former 
> belligerent must be designated for pickup or delivery. Garrisons designated 
> for pickup must be picked up by a corps, or will disband after three months 
> in cities or six months guarding a depot. Garrisons designated for delivery 
> will reappear in the nearest friendly city in which there is room (with 
> overflow going to the next nearest friendly city) after a number of months 
> equal to the least number of movement points it would take to travel there 
> divided by three, rounded up. If more than six months of this virtual 
> movement is spent within the territory of a former belligerent and an 
> access agreement does not exist, that garrison so moving is disbanded.
> 
> 2. No new corps may enter the territory of a former belligerent without an 
> access agreement.
> 
> 3. A ground unit owned by one former belligerent in another former 
> belligerent's territory may move only by satisfying one of the following 
> conditions, using movement points as the distance metric:
>  a. The ground unit ends its move nearer to the nearest friendly accessible 
> area.
>  b. The ground unit ends its move nearer to the nearest of the former 
> belligerent's ports.
>  c. The ground unit ends its move nearer to the nearest enemy area, and the 
> nearest enemy area is nearer than the nearest friendly area.
>  d. The ground unit begins its move in an area that can be reached overland 
> by a still belligerent unit from its current location during that unit's 
> next move.
> 
> 4. A fleet owned by a former belligerent may enter a port of another former 
> belligerent if a land unit allied with that power is in the port or could 
> enter the port later during the turn.
> 
> 5. A fleet that enters a port under 4 must embark during the next naval 
> phase, carrying at least one land unit if possible. A fleet that enters 
> Constantinople without an access agreement must exit the Dardanelles into 
> the area through which it entered.
> 
> 
> Comments: 
> 
> This would eliminate all of the problems associated with garrisons. If you 
> designate a garrison for pickup, and you aren't able to carry it away in 
> time, tough, since delivery is available (within a 6-month radius).
> 
> I think 3.c takes care of the objection that if France defeated Prussia it 
> could march all the way across Prussia in order to exit into Russia.
> 
> I changed 3.d to address Everett's objection that the "enemy forces nearby" 
> dispensation would almost always apply to anyone at war with Britain, due 
> to naval transport. It is now restricted to enemy units that can reach a 
> friendly corps by traveling entirely overland. (I think this better 
> reflects the sort of intelligence our commanders would have about the 
> disposition of enemy troops.)
> 
> -- 
> J.
> 
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